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“Beijing Has 20 Million People Pretending to Live Here” (Full Translation)


On July 23, Chinese blogger Zhang Wumao (real name Zhang Guochen) posted a humorous yet sharp essay criticizing the status quo of life in Beijing, and the city’s old locals and new immigrants. The article soon went viral and was denounced by official media. Translation provided by What’s on Weibo.
“Beijing Has 20 Million People Who Pretend to Live Here,” by Zhang Wumao. Chinese title “北京,有2000万人假装在生活”, original text in Chinese posted by author on WeChat on July 23, 2017.

Beijing has no human warmth

Friends from outside the city frequently criticize the people of Bejing. They’ll say that Beijingers have lots of money, but that they show it off in a classless fashion and that they are not hospitable. ‘I’ve come to visit the city, why can’t we catch up!?’, ‘We’ve known each other for years, you can’t even take me to the airport!?’ In fact, Beijingers are not as hospitable as non-Beijingers. Coming to pick you up and giving you a ride, or showing you around the city, are all seemingly simple things that are too hard for Beijingers to do.
Beijing people are busy. They are busy ’til 11 o’clock at night, when they are still jammed on the 3rd Ring Road. The cost of social time in Beijing is really too high – so high that it would be quicker to go for dinner in Tianjin than to go from Shijinghsan (TN: inner district of West Beijing) to Tongzhou (TN: district east of Beijing). Beijing is really too big; so big that it is simply not like a city at all.
So how big is Beijing really? It is equivalent to 2.5 times Shanghai, 8.4 times Shenzhen, 15 times Hong Kong, 21 times New York, or 27 times Seoul.
 
“Beijing is a tumor, and no one can control how fast it is growing; Beijing is a river, and no one can draw its borders.”
 
In 2006, when I came to Beijing, the subway only had line 1, 2, and 13. Now I don’t even know how many lines the Beijing subway has without checking it on Baidu. Ten years ago I took public transportation to search for a job, and refused to go to any interviews of companies outside the 4th Ring Road. Now companies like JD.com, Tencent, and Baidu, are all outside the 5th Ring.
When friends from outside the city come to Beijing, they think that we are near. But actually, we’re hardly in the same city; they might be in China’s Houhai, Guomao, Tongzhou, Shijingshan,.. If you’d look at the time spent in traveling, when people from Tongzhou and Shijingshan are dating, they are basically in a long-distance relationship. When you go from the 5th Ring Road to Yizhuang you could call it an offical trip.

For 10 years, Beijing has always been controlling housing, controlling traffic, and controlling the population. But this pancake is only getting wider and bigger. It has become so big that when a school friend from Xi’an called me to tell me he’s in Beijing, I asked him ‘where in Beijing?’, he told me ‘I’m at the 13th Ring Road.’
Beijing is a tumor, and no one can control how fast it is growing; Beijing is a river, and no one can draw its borders. Beijing is a believer, and only Xiong’an can bring salvation.

Beijingers are not just cool towards people from outside, they also treat each other coolly. Every time an old school friend from outside the city visits Beijing and we have a get-together, they’ll ask: ‘You guys here probably often meet up, right?’. I then say that those few times they come to Beijing, are the only few times we actually meet up.
In Beijing, there’s a mutual understanding when exchanging name cards; if we call each other a couple of times within a year, we’ll consider it a good friendship. If people are willing to come from east of the city to the west to have a meal together, then we’ll be friends for life. The only people we meet every day and have meals with are our co-workers.

Beijing actually belongs to outsiders

If you let Chinese people pick one city to visit in their lives, I am convinced the majority will choose Beijing. Because this is the capital, this is where you have Tian’anmen, the Forbidden City, the Great Wall, and hundreds of big and small theaters. From modern drama to Western or traditional opera, from xiangsheng to skits or Two-people Rotation – people from anywhere in the world can find their spiritual food here. But these things actually have nothing to do with the people of Beijing.
If you step into any major theater in Beijing, you’ll find that six out of ten people are outsiders with an accent and that three of them have just arrived in the city, that there are no fresh artistic young persons. What’s left is one person swiping their phone in the corner; the bored Beijing tour escort.
 
“Going into the Forbidden City, I only see one empty building after the other; it’s less interesting than the lively pigsties we have in my native village.”
 
In the 11 years since I’ve come to Beijing, I have been to the Great Wall 11 times, 12 times the Imperial Palace, 9 times to the Summer Palace, and 20 times to the Bird’s Nest. I feel emotionless about this city’s great architecture and long history. Going up the Great Wall, I can only think of Lady Meng Jiang (TN: 孟姜女, heroine of the Qin Dynasty), it is difficult to feel a sense of national pride again for this world miracle. Going into the Forbidden City, I only see one empty building after the other; it’s less interesting than the lively pigsties we have in my native village.
Upon hearing any mention of Beijing, many people immediately think of the Palace Museum, Houhai, 798; they think of history, culture, and high-rise buildings. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? It’s good! Does it make you proud? It does! But you can’t make food out of these things. What Beijingers increasingly feel is the suffocation of the smog and the high cost of housing. They cannot move, they cannot breathe.

Beijing Eventually is Beijinger’s Beijing

If you say that Beijing still has this somewhat smoky smell, then this is the smell that comes from the city’s native Beijingers who have been here for generations. It comes from their old bird cages, it comes from their palm leaf fans that cool the air after dinner, it comes from the haughty accents of the taxi drivers…
Old Beijingers are trying to make this city smell alive; they are trying to make the city appear like a place where people live.
 
“If you do not have a five-room house, how can you be calm? How can you breathe? How can you relax and play chess while drinking tea, like the Beijing uncles?”
 
This lively odor of the old Beijing people is passed down in genes, and it rises from the bottom of their five-room apartments. When the white-collar workers from the financial district in west Beijing are immersed in the excitement over their year-end bonuses, the nouveau riche in the south will calmly say they own five-room houses. When the computer programmers in Haidian crack a code and fantasize about being the next Richard Liu, the nouveau riche in the south will still calmly say they own five-room houses. When the media elite in Chaoyang have drawn up a new list and stand before their CBD office window contemplating their life, the nouveau riche in the south, as before, will still calmly say they own five-room houses.
If you do not have a five-room house, how can you be calm? How can you breathe? How can you relax and play chess while drinking tea, like the Beijing uncles?

In Beijing, the migrants who have no real estate from previous generations are destined to be trapped in their house for life. They strive for over a decade to buy an apartment the size of a bird cage; then they spend another decade struggling to get a house that has two rooms rather than one. If that goes well – congratulations! – you can now think about an apartment in the school district.
With a house in the school district, children can attend Tsinghua or Peking University. But Tsinghua graduates will still not be able to afford a room in that district. They will then either need to stay crammed together in the old shabby family apartment, or start from scratch, struggling for an apartment.


In 2015, the movie Mr. Six hit the cinemas. In my friend circle, many ridiculed the movie’s character ‘Mr. Six’ for his Beijing air. But I was deeply touched.
After being in Beijing for over a decade, I refuse to go to Wukesong to see the Shougang [basketball] team, I refuse to go to the Worker’s Stadium to see the Guoan [football] team, because I don’t have a real love for them and because I can’t cuss with a Beijing accent. But after being in Beijing for so long, you reach a kind of conciliation with old Beijing people. You’ll understand them in a more three-dimensional way, and can no longer simply label them.
 
“For Beijing’s new immigrants, the city is a distant place where they can’t stay; for Beijing’s old residents, the city is an old home they can’t return to.”
 
In fact, not all of the Peking people are unfriendly towards outsiders, a lot of my friends are Beijing rich kids. And it’s not like there are no young people in Beijing seeking progress – most of Beijing youth are just as diligent as we are.
You can dislike ‘Mr. Six’, and you can dislike the arrogant Beijing way of cussing and bragging, but you still have to respect them. Like you respect people from the northeast wearing gold necklaces or respect Shandong people for eating Chinese onions. It’s their culture, these are their customs. You don’t have to be like them, but the least you can do is to show respect from a distance.
I once took a taxi to Lin Cui Road. Because I was afraid the driver wouldn’t know the way, I opened the navigation on my phone to help him find the way. He said he did not need the navigation, because he knew that place. There was a flour mill there 30 years ago, [he said], it was demolished 10 years ago, and they built low-income housing there. I asked him how he knew this so well. “That used to be my home,” he said, the sorrow showing in his face.
I could hear nostalgia and resentment from the driver’s words. For Beijing’s new immigrants, the city is a distant place where they can’t stay; for Beijing’s old residents, the city is an old home they can’t return to.

We, as outsiders, ridicule Beijing on the one hand, while on the other hand, we cherish our hometowns. But in fact, we can still go back to our hometown. It is still there. It’s just that, with the defeats of each passing day, we can no longer adapt there. But for the old Beijingers, there really is no way to go back to their hometown. It has changed with unprecedented speed. We can still find our grandfather’s old house. The majority of Beijingers can only find their old homes through the coordinates on a map.
Some people say that we as outsiders have built Beijing, that if it weren’t for us, Beijingers wouldn’t even have breakfast to eat. The large numbers of people coming from outside the city have raised the housing prices in Beijing – they’ve created a flourishing city. But do you believe it? The native Beijingers might not need this kind of flourishing, and they also do not want higher housing prices. They are just like us, wanting a home that does not have too many people or too much traffic.

 
“There are over 20 million people left in this city, pretending to live.”
 
This year, they’ve begun to brick up the core city of Beijing. More and more small shops, small hotels and restaurants are forced to close, more and more people in the low-end market are forced to leave. This type of dressing-down and losing-weight city management frantically puts Beijing on the road to being a high-end and classy city. But it is becoming less and less of a convenient and livable city, and it is becoming further and further removed from being a city with a tolerant and open spirit.
Those who chase their dreams of success are now escaping. They’re off to Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or the West Coast of the United States. Those who’ve lost hope of chasing their dreams are also escaping. They returned to Hebei, the Northeast, and their hometowns.

There are over 20 million people left in this city, pretending to live. In reality, there simply is no life in this city. Here, all we have is the dreams of some people, and the jobs of most people.

THE RED GUARD AND THE LANDLADY


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THE RED GUARD AND THE LANDLADY

MAY 20, 2015 


By Alec Ash

My landlady drops by unannounced at eight in the morning. It’s a bittersweet surprise. I’m familiar with the early-bird rap-tap on my door by now; the first thing I do before opening it is put on the kettle. Sometimes she comes to collect the rent. Sometimes wants to check if the heating came on, or to write down the electricity meter digits, or to switch off the water supply to the roof so the pipes don’t freeze in the cold, twiddling with hidden knobs under the kitchen sink.

This time, rap-tap-tap, she just wants to talk. She had ambushed my downstairs neighbor for rent while he was still in bed. He asked for an hour to shower and wait for the banks to open. So she came up one floor to pass the time at mine. Sixty-four-year-old Beijingers tend to assume that everyone begins their day as early as they do.

I live in a dazayuan, or “miscellaneous courtyard,” in the hutongs. The complex can hold up to 20 households inside a labyrinth of doors tucked away behind the street entrance. Mine is on the third and top floor of a compact new building, knocked up in the summer of 2012, just before I moved in. My landlady is squat, honest, with plump cheeks and a lopsided smile. She’s also relatively willing to talk about her life. — and I’m nosy by nature and profession.

I was having breakfast in my pajamas when she knocked. I threw on a ratty dressing gown for decency’s sake. She stubbed out her cigarette in the narrow stairwell and kicked off her sneakers before coming in. It wouldn’t do to get ash or dirt on her property.

The first thing that happens when my landlady visits is a short survey of what I’ve done with the place. A new shelf, a painting on the wall, different fish in the tank — any change is commented on with a taciturn “hao” (good) or “bu hao” (not good). No further explanation is offered, and her criteria for judgment are a mystery. This time she asked what the contraption behind the sofa was. I said it was a movie projector, and pointed at the blank wall opposite it. After a nerve-racking pause … “hao.”

To fill the silence as she waited on the couch, I take out some photos of my family back in Oxford. As usual, we talked about my romantic prospects. She’s keen to see me settle down with a nice Chinese girl, and reminds me with a hand on my shoulder that it’s good to marry early, “or else when you’re old who will you have to give your money to?” I ask after her one-year-old grandson, Chen Jiaming, to whom I gave an English name (Jamie).

We talked about Chinese youth, a topic I’m always interested in discussing with older generations. “They haven’t eaten bitterness,” she said, a familiar refrain. “They just think about eating, drinking, smoking, clothes.” The kids these days — if they weren’t kenlaozu (the “bite the old tribe,” living off their parents), they were yueguangzu, spending all their monthly wages. Here was my opening. A nudge, a prompt, and she started talking about her own youth.

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Auntie Wang — as she likes me to call her — was born in the spring of 1949, and grew up with the People’s Republic of China, founded in the same year. Her family is from Jiangtai in northeast Beijing, an area now home to the fashionable 798 art district and overpriced Lido hotel. Back then it was mostly farmland; she helped her parents to plant and harvest wheat each year.

Auntie’s memories of those years are of hard times. Her family was poor, she said, and couldn’t afford enough wool for new clothes. She was pulled out of school during the famine of the Great Leap Forward and remains illiterate — something I first discovered when we went over my lease three years ago. When I asked further, she cut me off. “Let’s not talk about it.” After the famine at 17 years old, she joined the Red Guards and cut short her hair. When she was a girl it reached her waist. But she has never grown it out again.

I asked what she did as a Red Guard, and Auntie waved vaguely in the direction of the hutongs to the south. “We struggled against landlords.” They hung heavy wooden signs over the landlords’ necks, denouncing them as capitalists, and made them take the “airplane” position — body bent forwards at the waist like a crowbar, arms held stiff and straight behind the back, one hand clasping the other. Then: “da si tamen le.” We beat them to death, she said.

Her tone was casual. If she saw the shock in my eyes, she didn’t let on. To her it was just another memory, common for her generation, told to pass the time while waiting for the banks to open. In Chinese, the phrase she used could have simply been to add emphasis, or it could be literal. I didn’t say anything, or ask her to clarify which. She went on talking as if ambiguously admitting to murder was nothing to comment on.

Auntie remembered Zhou Enlai’s death in January 1976, and how everyone cried. She remembered Mao’s death too, nine months later. That wasn’t so sad — the people remembered how poor they had been under his rule, she said. The Cultural Revolution ended, and in 1978, at the age of 29, Auntie married. She had met her husband through a friend. He was 35, also from Beijing. The land I was living on was his, and when he died four years ago she inherited it from him.

Now she is old, and forgetting things. The changes have come fast in the last decades — health care is so expensive, she complains, and there are too many cars. In the evenings, she said, pointing apologetically to her head, she can’t remember what she did that day. But the distant past is still clear.

I made the obvious point. “The changes really are big, Auntie. Before you were struggling against landlords. And now you’re a landlady.”

“No I’m not,” she said, simply. “I’m not a landlady, I just collect your rent.”

The thought was alien, rejected with ease. Auntie Wang is a landlady, of course. I’ve seen her name on the property deed. But whenever I handed her a fat rent envelope, I also felt her faint unease at the situation, after a life of ingrained prejudices. To her, landlord is a class, not an income source.

I didn’t ask again about her time as a Red Guard. It was hard to bite my curiosity, but felt like too much of an intrusion. What if her phrase really was meant literally? Would I be able to look her in the eye? We chatted idly until my neighbor knocked on the door, cash in hand. Auntie put on her sneakers and went downstairs, telling me she would drop in again some other time, to show me little Jamie. I said I would be sure to be up early, in case.

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China is full of stories like Auntie’s. They fade like old clothes, and everyone over 50 has one in the closet. I find it difficult to connect the horrors of the Cultural Revolution as we read about it in textbooks to the people around me. Whether they were victims or perpetrators can be hard to tell; the line between the two, I suspect, is blurred. I’m also fascinated by the collective amnesia which allows this society to put such recent crime behind it and move on.

But those crimes and their repercussions are still in living memory. Last month, an 80-year-old woman told me how she was sent to Sichuan for hard labor for 10 years, along with her three sons, all because her husband was from a “bad family background”: he has Qing dynasty officials in his bloodline. In China in Ten Words, Yu Hua describes how as a schoolboy he and his vigilante classmates ambushed a young peasant who was illicitly selling food coupons, pushed him to the ground, and hit him over the head with bricks until he was covered in blood.

Admitting this past is difficult — especially to a new generation that has no understanding of those times, let alone to a foreigner. Does Auntie’s daughter know what she did? Will Jamie? My distance from it all, in age and culture, means there’s little comment I can give. I don’t have the right to judge her generation without having lived in those times, and any disapproval I feel is muted, a dull banging behind heavy insulation. I still like Auntie, with her enigmatic “hao” or “bu hao” and her lopsided smile.

What I do feel is ever-deepening respect for those older Chinese who have publicly apologized for their actions during the Cultural Revolution. Like Chen Xiaolu, son of a high-ranking general, or Liu Boqin, a former Red Guard from Shandong. In a magazine article Liu named nine victims in particular he had wronged, and tracked down some of them to apologize in person. He’s the same age as Auntie. Here’s what he wrote:

“I want to apologize to all victims and their families to obtain psychological relief. An open letter is simple and clear. … I was naive, easily bamboozled, and never distinguished good from bad. … As I grow older, I have a more profound understanding of the sins of the Cultural Revolution. I cannot forget what I’ve done wrong.”

This Chart Explains Everything You Need to Know About Chinese Internet Censorship

What goes through a Chinese web user’s head the moment before he or she hits the “publish” button? Pundits, scholars, and everyday netizens have spent years trying to parse the (ever-shifting) rules of the Chinese Internet. Although Chinese authorities have been putting ever more Internet rules and regulations on the books—one famously creates criminal liability for a “harmful” rumor shared more than 500 times—the line between what’s allowed and what isn’t, and the consequences that flow from the latter, remains strategically fuzzy. And that’s just how Chinese authorities like it.

But a discerning observer can still sketch out the shadowy form of the (often unwritten) rules that govern the Chinese web. Before posting, a Chinese web user is likely to consider basic questions about how likely a post is to travel, whether it runs counter to government priorities, and whether it calls for action or is likely to engender it. Those answers help determine whether a post can be published without incident—as it is somewhere around 84 percent or 87 percent of the time—or is instead likely to lead to a spectrum of negative consequences varying from censorship to the deletion of a user’s account to his or her detention, or even arrest and conviction. The flowchart below, based on my years following developments in Chinese cyberspace, provides a glimpse into the web of considerations that may determine the fate of a post—or its author.

Graphic by David Wertime, Shujie Leng, & Josef Reyes—Foreign Policy

A few nodes on this chart merit particular explanation:

  • Being famous on the Chinese Internet isn’t necessarily desirable. So-called “Big Vs,” or well-known social media commenters, are more likely to be scrutinized, censored, and jailed. They are thus likely to think extra hard before sharing anything on an open platform.
  • Posts that don’t criticize the government can be censored if they seem likely to spur private action on a major public issue. For example, in early March authorities quashed discussion of seemingly government-approved environmental documentary “Under the Dome” after it triggered a nationwide discussion on pollution.
  • Posts that get people to hit the streets are likely to get the axe, even if they aren’t political. In March 2011, authorities censored posts spreading the rumor that salt could stave off radiation poisoning from the recently ruptured Fukushima reactor in neighboring Japan, because the rumor had led to a run on the commodity.
  • The Chinese government wants web users to call out specific instances of corruption in the Communist Party—just not publicly. That’s why the website for the country’s top corruption watchdog allows citizens to report graft directly to government authorities.
  • Posts that criticize the government aren’t automatically censored. General grousing about the government by a small-time user isn’t going to topple the ruling party, which means the censors are unlikely to care.

There is much, of course, the above graphic does not and cannot capture. A user, for example, may have a powerful backer that allows him or her to push the envelope—or conversely, a history of activism that makes any post suspect. And the consequences beyond censorship are too uncertain and multifarious to be visually represented.

It’s also worth emphasizing that most posts are left alone. But that’s only after each survives a gauntlet of possible pitfalls, managing not only to obey laws as written but also to avoid contravening the interests or sensibilities of the central government and relevant local officials. That’s led to endemic self-censorship, particularly when the topic hits at anything even approaching politics. In turn, that makes Chinese cyberspace less likely to host the kind of raucous (and, to the government, potentially destabilizing) national debates and movements that used to spring up without warning before authorities tightened the screws on online speech starting in late 2013. China’s web users now have a strong incentive to stick to entertainment and e-commerce, rather than using the web as a platform for speech and debate on the major issues shaping their country’s future.

土豪 Yet Another Way to Mock China’s New Rich

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Yet Another Way to Mock China’s New Rich

By AMY QIN

When Apple introduced the iPhone 5s in China last month, demand was predictably overwhelming. Less predictable, however, was the online reaction when the gold-colored version of the phone sold out almost instantly.

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Chinese on the Internet gleefully described the gold phone, by far the most popular of the three colors available, as tuhao jin (土豪金), which in modern-day parlance might be translated as “the gold of the uncouth and wealthy.” Used to connote derision for the garish and excessive tastes of China’s new rich, the term tuhao has since gone viral, yielding more than 24.2 million search results on Sina Weibo, China’s popular microblog platform, as of Tuesday afternoon.

gold-plated luxury carsThe phrase is suddenly being used to poke fun at everything from  to the opulent interior of a Chongqing school to, most recently, the golden exterior of the People’s Daily office tower, currently under construction in Beijing. (On Weibo, one user mocked the building, a striking phallic colossus, exclaiming, “Wow! What a massive tuhao jin…”)

Tuhao isn’t a new term. Combining the character tu, which means dirt or soil, with the character hao, which can mean despotic or bullying, it is translated in many dictionaries simply as “local tyrant.” Until recently, the phrase had been most commonly associated with a popular slogan used by the Communists during the 1930s: da tuhao, fen tian di (打土豪、分田地), meaning “overthrow the local tyrants and divide the land.”

But in a bit of clever wordplay — a national pastime in China — Internet users have managed to deploy this traditional term with Marxist overtones against the new class of wealthy businessmen and officials, and their relatives, who are thriving in what is still supposed to be a socialist nation marching toward an egalitarian utopia. The tu now draws on its colloquial use as a synonym for unrefined or vulgar, and hao picks up a new tone from the Chinese phrase fuhao (富豪), which means rich and powerful.

Thus, in a single stroke, tuhao links the crass nouveau riche benefiting from Communist rule in modern China with the cruel feudal landlords of pre-revolutionary China whom the Communists promised to wipe out generations ago.

Tuhao is unique among the vernacular expressions used to describe China’s new rich for its biting emphasis on the uncouth ways of country folk. It can be more lighthearted than the term baofahu (暴发户), literally “break-out household,” which suggests upstarts who have suddenly struck it rich but lack culture and sophistication. And it is more general in scope than mei laoban (煤老板), or “coal bosses,” referring to those who became millionaires after the privatization of coal mines in the provinces. (The coal bosses’ reputation for profligacy and boorishness is best captured in a 2010 story about one particularly formidable coal boss who paid a lunch bill of 200,000 renminbi, or more than $32,000, entirely with 1 renminbi notes after a quarrel with the restaurant’s servers.)

Tuhao seems to have little in common with the term wanyuanhu (万元户), or “ten-thousand renminbi household,” which was used in the 1980s to describe families with annual income of at least 10,000 renminbi, or about $1,600. That previously aspirational phrase now seems rather quaint, especially when considered against a Boston Consulting Group study this year that reported China boasts more than 1.3 million households with “assets under management” worth at least $1 million. The report ranked China behind only the United States and Japan for the number of such millionaire households.

But tuhao can be found outside China as well. After Baz Luhrmann’s cinematic extravaganza “The Great Gatsby” hit theaters in China at the end of August, Chinese filmgoers were quick to attach the label to Leonardo DiCaprio’s Jay Gatsby, the millionaire who is later revealed to have had an impoverished childhood. On Douban, a popular online social network, tuhao shows up repeatedly in user reviews of the film. “Oh, my tuhao friend Gatsby,” wrote one user. “The sad melody of a tuhao romance,” wrote another. And, in what may have been the pithiest summary of the film: “Tuhaos apparently can never become nobility.”

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In China, an Empire Built by Aping Apple - Xiaomi



In China, an Empire Built by Aping Apple


  
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Lei Jun, the Steve Jobs-mimicking chief of Xiaomi, introduced a new smartphone last summer in Beijing.

By DAVID BARBOZA
Published: June 4, 2013

BEIJING — China is notorious for its knockoffs. But now comes a knockoff of one of the gods of American ingenuity: Steven P. Jobs.

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Steven P. Jobs introduced the iPhone 4 in 2010.

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Lei Jun unveiled Xiaomi’s Mi-2 smartphone last August, and it sold out quickly.

Xiaomi

The Mi-2A phones, introduced in April.

In a country where products like iPhones are made but rarely invented, Lei Jun — entrepreneur, billionaire and professed Jobs acolyte — is positioning himself and his company as figurative heirs of Mr. Jobs. The Chinese media have nicknamed his company, Xiaomi, the “Apple of the East.”

The title is a stretch, by almost any measure. But Mr. Lei nonetheless is carefully cultivating a Jobsian image here, right down to his jeans and dark shirts. He is also selling millions of mobile phones that look a lot like iPhones. Chinese consumers — and deep-pocketed investors overseas — seem to be believers.

And yet Mr. Lei’s biggest believer may be himself. He bounds onto podiums to introduce new cellphones. He proclaims things that may, to many, sound outlandish. For instance:

“We’re making the mobile phone like the PC, and this is a totally new idea,” Mr. Lei, Xiaomi’s chief executive, said during an interview at the company’s spacious, high-rise headquarters here. “We’re doing things other companies haven’t done before.”

That might come as a surprise to Apple and Samsung Electronics, the twin giants of smartphones. But Xiaomi (pronounced SHAO-mee) did sell $2 billion in handsets in China last year. It is emerging as a force in China, the world’s largest mobile phone market, and it expects its revenue to double this year.

Mr. Lei, for his part, hardly discourages comparisons to Apple and Mr. Jobs. And why would he? Founded by a group of Chinese engineers three years ago, his company sold seven million mobile phones last year by using designs that mimic the look and feel of the iPhone and using marketing that seems right out of Apple’s playbook.

It’s no surprise that entrepreneurs aspire to create a Chinese Apple. Many talk about moving China beyond the dead end of assembling devices for other companies.

So far, however, true innovators have been scarce. At best, they have adapted others’ technology to the Chinese market.

Mr. Lei has attracted believers because no company’s annual revenue has reached the $1 billion mark in China faster than Xiaomi, not even Amazon, which took five years to get there. Xiaomi did it while earning a profit.

Its backers include Qiming Venture Partners, the venture capital arm of Qualcomm and Digital Sky Technologies, an investment firm run by Yuri Milner, an early backer of Facebook, Groupon and Zynga.

Xiaomi, which is privately held, says an initial public offering is years away. But the company is worth $4 billion, according to its latest round of financing last June.

If that valuation holds up, it would make Xiaomi one of China’s most valuable technology companies, behind Alibaba, Baidu, Tencent and Netease.

The company caters to young, college-educated people who want a smartphone but cannot quite afford one, people like Lu Da, a 26-year-old education consultant in Shanghai.

“I chose Xiaomi because it’s good value for the money,” he said.

Skeptics say the company produces low-price iPhone imitations with no significant software or hardware advantages. They also say the company faces stiff challenges from Apple and Samsung, which are in a position to offer low-price smartphones.

The marketing power of bigger local handset makers like Lenovo, Huawei and Taiwan’s HTC, which together recently sold about 25 percent of all smartphones in China, cannot be discounted either.

Whether the company succeeds, its rise has solidified Mr. Lei’s reputation as a start-up wizard. Part entrepreneur and part start-up investor, he spent more than a decade at the Chinese software company Kingsoft and took it public in 2007. (He remains chairman and holds a $300 million stake.)

He also invested in a string of successful software and Internet companies, including YY, an online social platform that went public on the Nasdaq stock exchange in the United States last year and is now worth about $1.5 billion. One of Mr. Lei’s earliest successes came in 2004, when Amazon paid $75 million to acquire his e-commerce company Joyo.com.

“Lei Jun is a phenomenal entrepreneur,” said Kai-Fu Lee, the former Google executive who now runs Innovation Works, a Beijing-based firm that invests in Chinese start-ups. “He’s insightful about user needs and markets, and now he has this incredible desire to create a household brand in technology.”

Mr. Lei has revealed little about his personal life, but he has nearly five million followers on Sina Weibo, a sort of Chinese Twitter, and is treated like a celebrity in technology circles.

He grew up near Wuhan, a gritty industrial city in central China, and studied computer science at Wuhan University. It was during college, in 1987, he says, that he read a book about Mr. Jobs, and decided to emulate him.

“I was greatly influenced by that book, and I wanted to establish a company that was first class,” Mr. Lei said. “So I made a plan to get through college fast.”

After finishing his coursework in two years, he joined Kingsoft, a Chinese software company. A talented engineer with sharp marketing skills, he worked his way up into the executive ranks, and was named chief executive in 1998.

At Kingsoft, he also found time to set up Joyo.com and to become an angel investor in dozens of other companies.

“He has vision,” said Liu Ren, a longtime friend who runs an investment fund. “He sees trends earlier than others and is always ready to adjust. For instance, Joyo started as a downloading platform and at the beginning YY was just doing RSS subscription.”

With $41 million in initial financing, Mr. Lei teamed up with a former Microsoft and Google engineer, Bin Lin, and five other engineers to set up Xiaomi in a small office on the outskirts of Beijing.

Work began in 2010 on a software platform for the phone adapted from Google’s Android system. The company also sought out many of the same suppliers and contract manufacturers that worked with Apple, including Qualcomm, Broadcom and Foxconn.

In August 2011, Xiaomi introduced its first smartphone, the Mi-1, which sold out in two days. The Mi-2 was released last August, and sold out so quickly that some analysts claimed Xiaomi was creating artificial shortages to generate buzz through “scarcity marketing.”

To lower costs, the company cut out middlemen and distributors, selling directly through its Web site. The marketing was not just innovative for China, the company said, but allowed Xiaomi to sell smartphones for just half the price of the iPhone or Samsung Galaxy phones.

Xiaomi also outsources designs and features online from its so-called Mi-Fans, and releases a new version of the operating system every Friday, to add new features and keep the Mi-Fans excited.

“For a start-up it’s quite impressive what they’ve achieved,” Sandy Shen, an analyst at the research firm Gartner, said. “But the question is: how are they going to grow their market share beyond the narrow segment they’ve targeted?”

Many technology analysts and investors in China say that the company’s valuation is a bubble and that it will be difficult for Xiaomi to maintain its growth.

Mr. Lei insists his company could sell more than 15 million phones this year. Xiaomi — like Apple — is also looking at television.

Mr. Lei, listed by Forbes as one of China’s wealthiest entrepreneurs, worth $1.7 billion, has already helped create three multibillion-dollar start-ups in the last decade. Little wonder, then, that he comes across as confident, even a little cocky.

“We’re not just some cheap Chinese company making a cheap phone,” he said. “We’re going to be a Fortune 500 company.”

Xu Yan contributed research.


A tale of China's two great cities: Beijing is a male city, Shanghai is a female city

A rather long mashup discussing the antipathy and rivalry between Beijing and Shanghai



A tale of China's two great cities

The rivalry between Beijing, the national capital, and Shanghai, the financial capital, has been going on for decades. The dynamic is a powerful undercurrent in Chinese politics and culture.


October 04, 2010|By Barbara Demick, Los Angeles Times

Reporting from Shanghai and Beijing — If you ask Xu Peifen what she thinks of Beijingers, she puffs out her chest and squares her shoulders, doing the best imitation of a pompous bureaucrat that can be mustered by a plump, middle-aged woman standing in the kitchen with an apron tied around her.

"They stand like this," says the 56-year-old restaurateur, hands on hips, adding a scowl to her performance. "They're sooo annoying. Just because they come from the capital, they act like they're running the country."

The antipathy is mutual. "Shanghai people are selfish," retorts Ge Ding, a 28-year-old Beijing-born teacher who moved to Shanghai for work in 2001. "Even the people my age, all they talk about are material things, their clothes, the stock market. All they care for is themselves and money."

The trash talk between the natives of Beijing and Shanghai has been going on for decades, with the rest of China ducking the crossfire.

In China, it is the great rivalry, similar in some ways to New York versus Los Angeles. The dynamic is a powerful undercurrent in Chinese politics and culture.

Beijing's upper hand as China's capital was boosted by the 2008 Summer Olympics, which occasioned a $45-billion makeover and brought the city the world's attention, along with 1 million visitors.

Shanghainese sat sullen through the festivities. ("They weren't really cheering," is how Ge put it.)

But the zeitgeist of 2010 has been all about Shanghai, all decked out and refurbished for the World Expo, which runs through Oct. 31.

Not to be outdone, Shanghai spent nearly $60 billion on the expo and improvements to infrastructure. The statistics are impressive: Shanghai built eight new subway lines, bringing its total to 11 lines with 246 miles of track. (Beijing has eight lines over 120 miles.) Beijing brought in 3,000 portable toilets for the Olympics; Shanghai, 8,000 for the expo. Both Shanghai and Beijing built new airport terminals.

Shanghai got better marks for modernizing without destroying too much of the city's original character. In renovating its Bund area, shunting cars underground and removing an ugly flyover, Shanghai's planners were praised for restoring a riverfront quay to its 1930s glory; Beijing took flak for bulldozing many of its hutongs, the quaint alleys in the historic center.

Once running neck and neck as a tourist destination, Shanghai pulled way ahead this year, with more than 70 million people expected to visit the expo before its six-month run ends. The tourists are mostly Chinese, and many were getting their first glimpse of Shanghai.

"Wow. Shanghai is so beautiful, so developed and international, up to a Western standard," said 23-year-old student Liu Yue, who was in line to see an exhibit on Shanghai at the expo with her school friends.

As for the people, she said, "Well, the young ones are friendlier than the old."

The Shanghainese have a reputation for snobbery, and Chinese often complain that they feel shut out in Shanghai, perhaps because the dialect is almost incomprehensible to Mandarin speakers.

At the same time, the city is thought to be more foreigner-friendly, the most famous example from its history being its acceptance of 30,000 Jewish refugees during World War II.

Although the colonial days are long gone, the neighborhoods of the old French, Russian, American and British concessions still contain enough of the Art Deco and neoclassical styles to give the city a touch of whimsy.

Few would deny that Shanghai is the more fashionable city.

"The Shanghai men dress better than the Beijing women," said Liu Heungshing, a photographer who lives in Beijing. On the other hand, "if you walk out your door in Beijing, you have a much better chance of bumping into somebody with whom you can have an intellectual conversation."

Beijing has the top universities, the culture, the grandeur and history, the palaces of Qing emperors past and Communist Party chieftains present. The city is girded with ring roads and bisected by a grand, wide boulevard, wide enough, critics would point out, to deploy a column of tanks, as happened in 1989 when pro-democracy demonstrations were put down.

"Beijing is a male city, Shanghai is a female city," is how Zhu Xueqin, a professor at Shanghai University and one of the city's best-known public intellectuals, once put it.

Lu Ming, a Shanghai-born businessman who now lives in Beijing, characterized the difference this way: "In Shanghai, people stand in line waiting for the bus. In Beijing, if you drive a Mercedes-Benz, you can run over people with impunity."

Beijingers and Shanghainese love to poke fun at each other, though the jokes are often more barbed than funny. Shanghai men are reputed to be vicious in business — hence the term shanghaied — but wimps at home. "At home, they do the dishes, take out the trash and give their wife/mistress a neck rub after the hard day she put in shopping," wrote one blogger on a site called China Forum.

To the Shanghainese, the Beijingers — and all northerners, for that matter — are peasants.

"They smell like garlic," said restaurateur Xu, voicing a popular refrain. "We Shanghai people keep ourselves and our homes very clean. We are more refined. We drink coffee. They only drink tea."

Strands of the personal and the political, often hard to separate, are intertwined in the resentment felt by Shanghainese. Beijing at once embodies northern culture and symbolizes the central government. After the communist victory in 1949, Shanghai's cultural predominance was eclipsed by Beijing's. The city remained, however, the financial capital. Through the 1980s, it paid a staggering share of China's total tax revenue, by some estimates, 70%.

Although former Chinese President Jiang Zemin served as Shanghai's mayor and party secretary, the influence of the so-called Shanghai clique has been eclipsed since Hu Jintao became president in 2003. Then Chen Liangyu, a later Shanghai party secretary, was ousted on corruption charges and replaced on the Politburo by Xi Jinping, the current favorite to succeed Hu as president.

Although Shanghai, with more than 19 million people, remains China's largest city in terms of population, businessman Lu doesn't see it regaining its edge over Beijing.

"Shanghai has become a really beautiful city again with the expo, but the center of power is Beijing," Lu said. "You drive up and down the ring roads of Beijing and you see the headquarters of the companies — Petrochina, China Mobile.... It is the nature of this form of government."

barbara.demick@latimes.com

Researcher Nicole Liu in The Times' Beijing Bureau and Times staff writer Mark Magnier contributed to this report.

Jing Gao: This is an interesting observation: Beijing and Shanghai are always vying for world’s attention and the place of  number one metropolis of China.

I kept nodding while reading about the stereotypes of the two cities in many regards: 1, Beijingers and Shanghainese are very critical of and sarcastic about each other, especially in online chatrooms and blogsphere; 2, Shanghai is a female city whereas Beijing is male; 3, the rivalry expands far beyond opinion among the public and into political cliques and economic competitions.

However, the story seems to have made a minor mistake saying “the rest of China ducking the crossfire;” on the contrary, the rest of China is more than happy to engage in trash talks about either or both, or, for those who come from a second- or third-tier city, another city in the proximity.

Shanghainese, for sure, do not like Beijing for its deep bureaucratic root and possible threaten to Shanghai’s business activities.

But, Shanghainese have left a general impression that they do not like anyone from places other than Shanghai. There is a lingo in the dialect that literally means “people from the countryside,” and it is said that older generations of Shanghainese apply this phrase to most visitors.

That’s probably why Shanghainese become the easy target of rest of China’s anger. There is an element of truth in the statement that Shanghainese are materialistic and on high horses, merely as a natural result of disparity in living standards between Shanghai and any other city. But envy, inferiority complex and oversensitiveness of the rest of the population can also lead to the plausible impression. Of course, Shanghainese these days are making a good effort to clean the already tainted reputation and convince the entire China that the city welcomes, and is proud of immigrants who help build the city to today’s glory.

Beijing, on the other hand, does become synonymous with red tape, intricate human network and authority that can’t be challenged. Chinese hold an ingrained belief that “money can drive a ghost to mill;”   in Beijing, money alone just can’t get its way; power trumps it. Though Beijing and Shanghai, both as international metropolises, are land of opportunities for people in the rest of China, Shanghai is ideal for self-made men from scratch, and Beijing is less so, because people believe it is harder to climb the social ladder there if you don’t have connections.

However, the rest of China do not frown upon Beijingers as much as they do to Shanghainese, maybe owing to the fact that the majority of Beijing’s population is still grass roots and in a way victims of the bureaucracy that the city is steeped in.

People who come to either city to have their dreams come true do at times feel excluded or hindered, not by locals, but by the government policies. Hukou, or residential register, is extremely hard to come by in these two cities. Until you get one, you are always a “temporary resident”, and are disadvantaged by lack of it when it comes to health insurance, job advancement and public education of the offspring. Some of the routes to obtaining one include, becoming a public servant or an employee of a state-owned enterprise and investing several hundreds of thousands of yuan. People joked that obtaining hukou in shanghai and beijing is even harder than getting a green card in the U.S., in the sense that you only need to be married to a U.S. citizen for two years to be eligible for a green card, but you have to stay married to a Beijing-hukou holder above the age of 45 for ten years to get Beijing hukou, whereas being a spouse of a Shanghai-hukou holder never guarantees you one, no matter for how long.

While we keep pitting Beijing and Shanghai against each other, do not forget that such rivalry exists between a number of pairs, for example, Chengdu and Chongqing (in Southwest China), Qingdao and Jinan (on the east coast), Dalian and Shenyang (in Northwest China), Shenzhen and Guangzhou (in South China). The competition range from argument in the chatrooms about which one of the pair is more beautiful, to fight for a bigger share of appropriation of funds.

Such a sense of pride for hometowns partly stems from the collectivist frame of mind that Chinese government has been indoctrinating the population with.  We were taught in the elementary school that we should be proud of the group we are in. It is the group, not a particular individual, and never you alone, that makes us strong.

It also stems from China’s sense of place. Hukou system, ancestral home, hometown, birthplace…a myriad of things are associated with one’s identity. Even though this has changed a lot in recent decades, Chinese are still immobile compared with other peoples, and are emotionally attached to their ancestral home and their hometown, where they deem as their root, and the place who makes who they are. For an American who moves quite often throughout his life, his birthplace and hometown might mean less to him. But for a Chinese who has lived in no more than three cities, he thinks his effort to defend his hometown is worth it.


Miss Korea Contestants All Look the Same, Chinese Reactions


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Recently, photos of the 20 Korean women who arecontestants for the 2013 Miss Korea beauty pageant went viral on the internet.

As the world’s largest internet market and Korea’s neighbor, those photos quickly made their way to China as well, where Chinese netizens are no strangers to South Korea’s reputation for cosmetic plastic surgery.

From NetEase & Sina:

2013 Miss Korea Pageant Candidates Revealed, Accused of Looking All the Same

The 2013 Miss Korea Pageant contestants have been revealed, with many of the beauties looking as if they were the same person, difficult to differentiate, as if they were products from the same plastic surgery assembly line, devoid of individual characteristics.

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Comments from Sina:

手机用户[山东潍坊]

[They] should have bar codes printed on their faces, so I can check where they got their plastic surgery.

乌蒙杨二[云南昆明]

An integration of Eastern and Western beauty aesthetics, resulting in the world’s most beautiful face, creating a mold for the sculpting and polishing of all the women in the world. Gentlemen, you marry a wife like this, and you’ll have the entire world. This is so inspirational.

手机用户[北京]

You are as blind as a bat, bangzi are made out of plastic surgery, Miss Korea contestants looking neither human nor like ghosts, their faces grotesque, fake, ugly, as if they were all born of the same father, how can they be compared with Miss Hong Kong contestants? Miss HK and Miss Asia contestants win by actual strength, competing with each other in real beauty, in truth, goodness, and beauty, being celebrated for their natural beauty. Every year, the judging for the Miss HK Pageant is very strict; those who have had plastic surgery are all rejected!

手机用户[浙江宁波]

Truly the same. I used to only think Africans all look the same, but turns out Koreans all look the same too.

1956ym[广东广州]

Each and every Korean woman has had cosmetic surgery and facelifts so they all look the same. They look very pretty, but once they are married and have children, [the children] all look very ugly and resembles neither father nor mother, growing up and having to go get plastic surgery again, with one generation after another like this, so men need to be careful when it comes to marrying a pretty sassy lady only to give birth to an ugly duckling.

手机用户[山西太原]

No kidding! Chinese [women] are natural [beauties], Korean women are manufactured, can the two even be compared!? SB

手机用户[广东深圳]

To tell the truth, no matter how much plastic surgery Chinese [women] go through, they still won’t be as pretty as Koreans.

Cingood[山东青岛] (responding to comment above)

Even foreign shit tastes better than Chinese to you.

黑白记忆中-的彩色身影[辽宁沈阳]

I don’t think Korea is suited for hosting this kind of competition.

手机用户[广西南宁]

Attack of the clones…

勤劳勇敢的刘大毛[美国华盛顿州]

Bullshit, no matter how tall they are, they’re all ~45kg, how is that possible?

手机用户[河南郑州]

No matter how pretty after cosmetic surgery, genes can’t be changed. Once the child is born, people will know she is a real beauty or not.

Comments from NetEase:

网易广东省深圳市网友 ip:113.105.*.*

In the end all are eliminated, and the surgeon wins…

郭小芋头 [网易北京市网友]:

Typically a country possesses two types of people: men and women. Thailand possesses three types: man, women and ladyboys. Korea has four types: men,women who haven’t had plastic surgery yetwomen who have had plastic surgery, and transsexuals.

尽日无人属阿宅 [网易江苏省无锡市网友] (responding to the comment above)

Our dynasty has five types: The rabble diaosi, second generation government official tall rich and handsome, kindergarten kids, black fungus, and apes.

网易山西省晋中市网友 ip:118.75.*.* (responding to the comment above)

Bangzi men get plastic surgery too.

北叔 [网易山西省太原市小店区网友]: (responding to above)

Wrong! Korea has four types: men, women with unsuccessful plastic surgery, women with successful plastic surgery, and transsexuals.

理性思辨 [网易江苏省南京市网友]:

Surgeries all done by the same surgeon.

网易北京市手机网友 ip:221.122.*.*

[Surgical] techniques have improved, can go into mass production now.

网易湖北省襄阳市手机网友 ip:183.93.*.*

[You] can imagine how ugly Korean women must be without plastic surgery, all unwilling to reveal their real appearances.

被贬下凡的猫 [网易广东省广州市海珠区网友]:

Korea is now already the world’s most famous nation for the mass transformation of humans.

都市狩猎人 [网易广东省深圳市网友]:

Plastic surgery becoming mass produced, [I] don’t dare to marry Korean women!

网易浙江省温州市手机网友 ip:125.109.*.*

Without plastic surgery, how would bangzi survive?

xxhaha12345 [网易云南省丽江市网友]:

NMD [their] noses are all the same.

网易江西省手机网友 117.136.*.*:

It’s said they’re all very pretty, but after looking at them one time, there isn’t a single face I was able to remember.

网易吉林省长春市网友 ip:122.139.*.*

In the past, I’ve only heard of [contestants] wearing the same outfit, but now I see [contestants] wearing the same face, such an eye opener!

网取认真 [网易重庆市网友]:

Looks like mass-produced, and probably even ISO 9001 and 9002 certified.

Don’t miss the Korean netizen reactions as well as before and after photos of these contestant over at our sister site koreaBANG!

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      • BiggJ

        They all look the same and there is no way to tell the average japanese, korean , chinese girl apart. As long as they keep their mouth shut you can’t tell the difference. I don’t care who you are you can’t tell the difference. I can tell by maybe the clothes they wear..makeup styles…but on average…you can’t tell the difference. Put 10 of each girl naked and try to tell the difference…you might get some right….but not because you are 100% sure.

        It’s like arguing which monkey came from which part of the same jungle….you don’t fucking know.

        • The Enlightened One

          I have an instant technique regardless of clothes or languages or telling the Koreans from the Chinese here in China.

          When you walking down the street and see Asian people looking to cross that said street…

          If they walk into the traffic and cross the street without any care, they are most likely Chinese.

          If they wait and look fearful to cross the road through the busy traffic, probably Korean. Maybe Japanese.

          Japanese usually ALWAYS cross as the crosswalk and don’t try to rush onto the lanes like they are stealing a base like Chinese do.

          These are some quick indicators I picked up.

          • ex-expat

            lol stealing a base

          • jon776

            Indeed. The Japanese are the most civilized of the Asians.

          • BiggJ

            Yep for sure. I love japan. Most civilized and the best culture in east asia.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Robertus Englundus

            I must get over there to make comparisons, this all sounds very interesting indeed.

          • BiggJ

            See but those are actions. I talking just looks. But yeah those are good points you made.

          • James

            well one of my favorite tw traits is when they get to a red light at a crossroads on their scooter, they often turn right into the road bang a u turn then turn right again continuing on their way.
            Oh and driving scooters w no headlights at night….. to save gas

          • aadfasds

            new yorkers are like that XD (rushing across streets even at a green light).

          • mr.wiener

            Chines might also stop in the middle of the intersection to hawk up a loogie.

        • ex-expat

          I agree but man I was in Cambodia and the guy taking me around was able to point people out from Vietnam, China, Japan, it didn’t matter. He said it had to do with skin color and facial bone structure.

          • BiggJ

            Maybe, but that’s not a sure indicator. When me and wife go to Japan they can’t tell she chinese. Everyone we met has spoke to her like she was japanese….assuming she is my japanese wife since I’m white,they don’t know the difference.

            There is a boat that goes from shanghai to osaka. Most passengers are chinese or japanese. We stayed in room with 4 beds…kind of like the first class sleeper trains in china but bigger. So we go drop our bags off we saw the other couple in the room we shared. We never spoke to them just said Hi dropped out bags off and walked out to the deck. So me and wife got talking and she said they were chinese, I said they were Japanese…so we talk a bit about it….15 mins later we go back to the room and I asked them in english where they were from…..they said vietnam…..so we were both wrong.. it’s hard to tell the difference.

          • James

            I remember a TW guy years back telling me you can tell koreans from chinese, koreans had flatter faces.
            There is a large genetic difference between the N & S of China though. S Chinese are essentially SE Asian.

        • jon776

          It’s not always impossible. There are some traits unique to Japanese people. Koreans and Northern Chinese are very similar. Southern Chinese are very different though.

          Here’s a composite of several Korean, Japanese and Chinese faces. Spotting the Japanese here is pretty simple but spotting the other two is pretty hard.

          • BiggJ

            I’ve seen all 3 of these girl living in same apartment building as me. lol

          • Pickle

            The third pic is Japanese?

          • jon776

            Obviously.

          • Bugs Bunny

            this is totally shit, i guess made by korean too, they average level is worse than this far.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Robertus Englundus

            First one looks like southern chinese, second northern chinese? You are right on about the northern chinese/korean look

          • asfd

            neat. people can’t tell where i’m from. i’ve had people ask if i were japanese, chinese, thai, korean, viet…..

          • ScottLoar

            East Asians can be differentiated by their looks but not always; the body language, the clothes – especially shoes – and color combinations, jewelry, the posture, gestures, even the way they walk down the street are good indicators. Smell, too. But not always. My wife is from Taiwan yet some Chinese and many Koreans think she is Korean, the Chinese complimenting her Mandarin (she’s a native speaker of Mandarin) and the Koreans in the supermarket, airport, or dry cleaners speaking to her in Korean then get upset because they think my wife pretends not to understand. So I’ve got an angry wife, an angry check-out girl, and a growing crowd of angry housewives. All I wanted was some kimchee.

          • Pickle

            Someone gave you a down vote so I gave you an up vote. I seen a similar thing happen many times before.

          • ScottLoar

            Thank you. I note at least one person follows what I say by always giving me a down vote on every comment. Me? I’ve never given anyone a vote up or down, thinking it silly but, again, thank you.

          • Pickle

            Another up vote from me! I notice stuff like that too. These people are upset with your anecdotes and hate that they are true.

          • linette lee

            I agreed. I never use the vote button. It’s so retarded. People think it’s a popularity contest or something. This is a discussion forum. Not running for gov’t or idol music award show for vote. Reminds me of those crazy girl fans stay up all night to vote for their idol to get a piece of plastic award on stage. So stupid.

        • MonkeyMouth

          which part am i from?

      • Everyone on ChinaSmack

        Stupid cunt

    • the ace of books

      Your moms all look the same to me.

  • DavidisDawei

    The Chinese sure do love that all girl Korean singing/dancing/Pop group (girls generation?)…
    I see them on big screens everywhere in China

    • Bugs Bunny

      no!not at all!
      we do not care, just korean like to make electronic dancing music, always sexy fake faced girls sing and dance, it’s good for public places to kill time guess. but i do not see them often.

      • James

        & their breath smells like kim chee too!

        lol

      • Panda Banana

        who the fuck is “WE” ???

        all the chinese man i know, are obsessed with japanese and korean women.

        • Bugs Bunny

          really? all????
          hahaha!make your dream!

          • Panda Banana

            wow, first time you reply to me without saying i should go to die! maybe finally you realized that even after the 27th time i am still alive and that it doesn’t make sense?

            however, I said all I know, and they are quite a lot chinese i know after 7 years. Its true! They always say, chinese man follow 3 dreams: a german car, american house, and japanese/korean wife! At least they admit that the 3rd dream is nearly impossible to achieve, so they concentrate on the car and house and try to get a decent chinese wife. I am cool with that, its honest.

            Even in HongKong, all my HK friends want to have a japanese or korean GF., but just one was successful so far.:-)

            Another point about chinese man. They ALL go to whores from time to time, even they have wives at home waiting. I can just talk from conversations with my staff. Even the machine workers with small salaries, go out to fuck a hooker from time to time. I was surprised to hear that there are girls on the street offering a BJ/Fuck for just 50RMB??? But what disgust me the most was that the man insist to fuck without condom. When i ask them how it comes they are not afraid to catch a decease, since they are most likely not the only one she serves during the night. They answer: well, as soon as i come home i wash my small brother with water.!!!

            I also never understood why all of them had just one pair of shoes, you know this dirty ass cheap black chinese fake leather shoes. A pair of sneakers or a second pair of shoes cost at the night market around the same price as the 50rmb hooker, but i guess thats how they set their priorities.

            I remember that after my chinese partners refused to buy real working shoes for the machine shop workers. I bought hundreds pairs of shoes for all of them out of my own pocket. I even chose the “luxury” version, for 250 a pair…guess what, out of hundreds of people not more then a handful (4 to be precise) actually wear them later on, the rest of them complained that they are not comfortable enough, too heavy. Fuck, i wear them myself and they felt nice and comfortable. After that incident, i understood why chinese people treat other chinese people like shit…

            But anyway, take care what your “hubby” is doing…sex is cheap in china, and its FAST! Dont like to know how many of them carry deceases back home to their wives and kids…

    • vincent

      Gangnam style is more popular here than it is in Korea hahaha, check this story outhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/23/chinese-workers-gangnam-style-protest

      • DavidisDawei

        Thanks Vincent
        I was in Korea when that song caught fire. I had never heard of it and this Korean Doll sat next to me on the train from Busan to Seoul and told me all about it and showed me video…
        I heard the Chinese version is quite “sexy”?
        Cheers…

  • Scatterbrain

    I was translating something about cloning. After seing these products, I can tell what they were talking about.

  • Bugs Bunny

    ps is ps, still none of them look so good as fan…
    i love you fanbingbing…

    • the ace of books

      Fan Bingbing is best in that Nokia ad. super 帅!

    • Panda Banana

      yeah, i am sure she loves you too! shouldn’t you be out of the age of worshipping celebrities?

      nice bitch BTW, I like the whorish look!

  • bb

    Personality, people!

  • James

    wait,I thought they wore numbers?

  • the ace of books

    When I saw the splash picture with all twenty of them, I thought it was 20 pictures of the same woman in different poses…

  • BiggJ

    The clone wars have begun………..

  • ElfenLiedy

    You don’t have rules against plastic surgery in beauty contests.

    It’s common practice to put all these women in the hands of doctors, long before any make-up artist gets their hands on their faces.

    Having them go trough plastic surgery is a dumb idea when you are trying to pick “the most beautiful woman in the world”.

    Btw here’s the women up for Miss USA 2013

    You see they all look like the same person

    • James

      thanks for the airbrushed pics

      • Guest

        the pics of the korean beauty contestants are also all extremely airbrushed.

    • Bugs Bunny

      they do not look the same, just one or two are quite similar.
      the blonde group, the 4th one is the best, first one looks like a man, 2nd one face too wide,3rd one eyes not at the right place, a bit too up and she even made the distance between her eyebrow and eye narrower,she should not use that eye makeup already.hair also the worst.
      the next group, 1st is worst, no need to explain. 2nd one good, but her nose from up to down all the same, very strange. 3rd one the best, no any weakness on her face . 4th, same level as the other group 4th one.but blonde one has better eyes color.and more shining.

    • the ace of books

      I do have to agree with the bit about them all looking the same. This pouty, tousled look has never been a favorite of mine, and yet you see it in practically every display of “beauty” in the Western world nowadays. Lookit magazine covers, ads, movies, etc – they’re all making either 1) that vaguely-discontented, possibly herniated expression that brunettes 1 and 2 are making, or 2) a sultry come-get-me look that blondes 1, 3, and 4 and brunettes 3 and 4 are making.

      Gimme a happy look anyday. Blonde 2 is the only one in that group who looks unabashedly happy.

      • http://www.sinolicious.com/ Gay_Chevara

        She kind of looks like The Joker’s long lost sister.

        • the ace of books

          Wanna hear how I got these scars?

          • mr.wiener

            Does it involve a nun’s outfit, a latex glove, a manikin’s hand and some lightbulbs coated in vasoline?

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            That is an interesting imagination you have there my dear lad.

          • Gerónimo Anónimo

            Hey Tony, How’s ya get that scar? From eatin’ p—y?
            “Joo tink I gah dis scar frome eatin’ p—y? Say hello to my leetle fraind”

    • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.lopez.7967747 Joseph Lopez

      lol, you fail at trying to show that the contestants for Miss USA “looks the same.”

      Unlike Korea, the contestants for Miss USA are very diverse. It’s not just white blonde girls that’s competing for it, there’s also white girls who are brunettes, and then there’s African Americans and Asians.

      They all don’t look the same whatsoever

      • Rick in China

        *Those are photoshopped photos, NOT the actual contestants*.

        The contestants all actualy look very different, and most of them aren’t really that good looking.

  • slob

    They look similar, not the same at all. If you take the make-up off then you could probably tell them apart really easy.
    Anyway, fact is that any man would gladly bang each and every one of them.

  • markus peg

    The real competition is to see what plastic surgeon is the most talented.

  • BrandeX

    It’s a photoshop hoax reetod Chinamen, the truth was out last week already,

  • Joe

    Plastic. Korean bitches all smell like a mix of kimchi & vinegar.

    • ff55828

      die painfully retard

    • Wang That!

      more like your upper lip!

      Zing!

  • elzach

    The Korean female mentality is to “look the same”, it is and has been…frankly, many Korean men also try to “look the same”.

    Having said that, most Chinese women would love to look Korean…and so would their boyfriends and husbands. Wanna invest in the industry of the future in China? “plastic surgery”.

    • http://twitter.com/21tigermike Michael A. Robson

      Monoculture.

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      Word.

    • kelli321

      Technically Chinese women don’t want to look Korean, they want to look like Korean women after surgery/Photoshop. Considering what these contestants looked like in their “before” photos on Koreabang I can guarantee no Chinese girl would pay to look like that.

      The standard ideal look is a pointed sharp chin, huge eyes and narrow high pointed noses. If taken too literally…

      • Guest

        “The standard ideal look is a pointed sharp chin, huge eyes and narrow high pointed noses.” You mean this:

        • http://www.weibowatcher.com/ WeiboWatcher.com

          Stunning!

          • The Enlightened One

            This is VERY creepy. I don’t find it cute in the least…. this is the stuff nightmares of made of…. don’t look directly into its eyes! Don’t do it Jimmy!

          • Gerónimo Anónimo

            That is totally scary. Why would a young girl want to do that to herself?
            I HOPE that it’s a photo shop job.
            IF someone really did the surgery, he should be executed by a firing squad. I thought that Josef Mengele was dead!
            Do Korean Drs. take the Hippocratic Oath “To do no harm”?
            If THAT isn’t harm I don’t know what IS!

          • linette lee

            hahah….lol You are so bad..

            Everybody want that Fan bing bing look. Huge eyes, pointy nose, pointy face, and geishs skin color. I don’t get it.

          • Bugs Bunny

            when men look at you their eyes get bigger,and the whole body gets soft only one place gets hard, then you will understand.
            sorry for my rude…hahaha!

          • linette lee

            okay, from looking at Fan bing bing childhood photos, she does look natural. These are her natural look.Huge eyes, pointy nose and face. But it’s just too much for me. I prefer less pointy. So china chinese all want to look like her. Very soon you will have a nation of fan bing bing clones walking around. Fan bing bing needs to collect copy rights for her look. hahaha lol.

          • Bugs Bunny

            i can tell you,some girls coped her face at ps, still not so good as her. all about match and at the same time nature.fake eyes have scar,fake nose will move…and also height and skin and hair,ps can not help a girl to be super beauty some even make them look worse.

          • linette lee

            I heard about the fake nose moved after while. If you visit those asian fashion make up forum you will hear how those korean girls talking about “maintenance” and reconstruction. They also have to be careful when playing intensive sport with their nose. And they can’t press their nose down to make funny face like normal people can. I can imagine michael jackson can’t press his nose down neither.

            And those american women in other forum will talk about maintenance on breast implants. After a while it has to be reconstruct. It’s just life time of money for maintenance with plastic surgeries. Now you know why those girls all want to marry to rich men.

          • Bugs Bunny

            who do not wanna marry rich? if there is a chance can choose???

          • linette lee

            oh yes, having money is a good thing. I am pretty sure people do not mind having money. Nobody will complain about being rich. :)

          • Bugs Bunny

            hi,
            i will not write here any more.
            since now i am very dizzy and sleepy everyday, i can not write here any more.
            so i come to say goodbye to you.and i will move soon follow my guy,move to another asian country.
            i try to talk to him about run a bar in china,he is not interested,he has no interest in this kinda things…so i have to go with him.
            if one day i went to his hometown, i will let you know maybe we can meet,good luck! your a good girl,at least better than me.
            good luck!

          • Panda Banana

            eattot, we will all miss you. Hope you made the right decision to go with this old loser to his hometown. The idea with the bar was good in my opinion, there are lots of old losers hanging around in china, and a good bunch of Pakistani old loser midgets which wouldn’t mind to pass buy for a drink after chicken and fries.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            hahaha, love it, you are a creative writing genius

          • linette lee

            good luck bunny. I am so glad to see you happy with your man and things in your life. Best wishes with your beautiful baby. Whatever business or company you do open I hope you success. Don’t pay attention to other people trying to put you down in life. They are nothing not important and don’t count. You know your own worth. Don’t ever lose sight of your goals just keep straight, work hard, and you will achieve. Take care. Do drop a line here and there sometime. :)

          • Panda Banana

            “I am so glad to see you happy with your man and things in your life.”

            maybe i missed something and you saw something i didn’t.
            Where in hell did you read that she is happy?

            she just wrote that she is tired everyday, cant write anymore, comes to say bye-bye. She is following her “guy”(old loser?), wanted to open a bar but he didn’t agree, so she has to follow him.

            She even admitted that she is no good at the end of her post!

            How the fuck does that make her happy? sounds pretty much frustrated to me. And again, at which point of her post you came to this intelligent conclusion to reply:

            “I am so glad to see you happy with your man and things in your life.”???

            I know: pedophile panda, blablabla….and after you done with the same senseless insult for the 20th time, let us know about this brain fart you just released. I am curious!

          • The Enlightened One

            Panda,

            You probably already know, but I should confirm it anyways. A lot of Chinese will fight to the death before admitting they are wrong to others but in their heart they know it. The are really good at hiding their emotions but break down badly when drunk or under the influence of something.

            eattot, is one of these such Chinese girls but every now and then they let out cracks of vulnerability and insecurity. This post was obviously one of them.

            There is a reason why the suicide rate here is so high.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Highest female suicide rate in the world indeed.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            i am very dizzy and sleepy everyday,

            Oh the pain of touching virtual keys on your ipad ,,,,,the absolute horror!!!! what can be done for poor old eattot…..bring out the violins……

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            not in asia, no

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            golddiggers , that is who, it makes you less classy

          • nitrostat

            wait… you actually think fan bing bing is natural? LOL ! take a good look at her nose… she also got the double eyelid surgery.. but then again.. this is what the world has come to.. striving for that “perfect” look. Everyone is just delusional

          • linette lee

            no.. She didn’t do her eyes. Go look at her childhood photos. Many chinese have really big eyes and heavy eyelids.

            She was also very “pointy” as a child. I notice something about asians. Usually those have very pointy face structure, also have pointy nose too. sometimes they even have hooked nose. Like bird. They are just naturally pointy. lol.

          • Pickle

            I think the make up brings out those features more. What does she look like without make up?
            You have a nice face yourself. And nice boobs too. ;)

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            But not when they look at you my dear girl, that one place may well shrivel….sorry for my rude, now am I right or am I right, hahahaha

          • Bugs Bunny

            i do not wanna reply to you, it’s the last reply for u.
            i dislike old looser. go away!

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            You don’t even know me, and I,at least have an avatar unlike you afraid to show herself. You don’t know me my dear girl and always post the old “looser”, loser, line. Learn well my lass

          • Bugs Bunny

            what you want then?
            date me?impossible. insult me online,fuck off! tease me to be your online lover, run away early better.
            enough!

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            None of those things you mentioned, I merely want to uinderstand your prejudice against the old. Do tell, but I bet you cannot my dear girl.

          • Bugs Bunny

            fuck off!

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            not very educated words, your english is still terrible, as is your lack of etiquette. Grow up some !

          • Probotector

            I don’t know why she comments on here so much, when most people can’t figure out what she’s even on about.

          • Panda Banana

            what is an ‘online lover’ ??

            to my excuse i must admit that this is the one and only online forum i have ever visited, so i am not aware of the slangs at such places.

            BTW, i just asked a question, please try not to reply with ‘old loser’ or ‘pedophile’ like Linette is doing it…

          • mr.wiener

            Lordy, another Identity.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            I am peter cushings agent, his successor, and who pray are you my lad?!

          • mr.wiener

            A reluctant fan.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            A reluctant fan is always a welcome fan, I do hope you are doing well my dear lad.

          • Probotector

            It’s spelled ‘loser’, you moron.

          • James

            She’s not a native English speaker, so cut her some slack.

          • Probotector

            Chinese wouldn’t cut foreigners some slack if our Chinese sucks; they just laugh at us and call us 傻屄.

          • The Enlightened One

            That is true.

            Most of the time they don’t either bother correcting you…

            They just assume that if you made one mistake then all of the sudden you are a complete fool and can not learn Chinese.

            Family and friends are more lenient of course (even though many times they still don’t even correct me), but in public… most Chinese won’t want to communicate with you at all if you make a mistake.

          • donscarletti

            Most are very patient, the first year I was in china, I felt like you, but in reality, you learn a vastly different foreign language for a few months, then you’re going to be pretty bad at it, mostly recreational communication at this point is purely for your own benefit, it will bring no joy to simply have a chat with you in that situation, so those willing to do it are doing you a favour.

          • Probotector

            Fair enough, but I’m not talking about ‘recreational communication’. Frankly I don’t ever do that, normally Chinese want to do it with me on order to ‘practice their English’, which I always refuse.

            In my experience at least, I find Chinese people always assume that you can’t understand the language, and then are often flabbergasted when they find out that you know 你好. I’ve also found them to get utterly frustrated and irritated when you can’t understand or they just laugh at you.

          • Pickle

            That’s true. And they don’t even like to teach their language either. They are not as lenient as Americans when it comes to teaching either. If you don’t say it exactly or don’t have the right accent YOU FAIL! But then they speak English and practically rape it with the only consequence is their accent or saying lice instead of rice and get made fun of yet still get jobs in the USA.

          • Probotector

            “But then they speak English and practically rape it”

            Which is why I’ve never given a student a grade higher than 69%.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            I have to cringe when some chinese girls talk in that dragged out american accent that they memorized from watching Courtney (?) Cox or the other actress who played Pheobe (?) in friends downloaded off the net or on pirated dvds. Yeah, because EVERY girl in the west speaks like that….at times like those I want to gouge my eardrums out ffs:(:(

          • ScottLoar

            I won’t let this one pass. No, Chinese do not call foreigners 傻屄, they use other epithets, and if you knew so you would know what those words are. This 傻屄 is overly used by foreigners to show they have some smattering of Chinese; this compound is sometimes used in internet forums but used a lot by foreigners. I’ve never heard Chinese use it on each other, and when cussing out a young woman the compound is usually 小屄, especially among northern Chinese. This 傻屄 (stupid cunt) is a loan word/expression from English.

          • Probotector

            This has happened to me and several other expats I’ve known in my time here. You can choose not to believe it if you wish, but it doesn’t stop it from being true.

          • ScottLoar

            See the exchange between ScottLoar and Donscarletti on this and other compounds immediately above your comment. He and I both agree 傻逼 is not used to describe persons who cannot speak the language properly. It is used to describe persons who are willfully stupid like, as example, yourself.

          • Probotector

            Why insult me because of a disagreement, particularly one as trivial as this? I would agree that your knowledge of the language is better than mine, and I’d agree that it is not common to call a foreigner this; but to make me out to be stupid because I said it nevertheless has happened is frankly pathetic. Now I’ve crossed swords with you before on CS and I know you are a patronising, liberal China apologist who hates other expats if they dare disagree with you, but come on, surely you you have better things to do than troll me?

          • ScottLoar

            You’re right, my insult to you was wrong and misplaced. I regret it. No, I don’t know what a liberal China apologist is, but understand you use it with intent. Trolling you? Your comment prompted mine, and it is only about the language; hell, there are very, very few monikers I recall dealing with here and you, please understand, are not memorable. Yes, I am short-tempered. No, I am not unreasonable and will accept correction. I don’t hear Chinese saying 傻逼 and I’ve never heard it applied to me.

          • donscarletti

            Dude, 傻逼 doesn’t mean you’re thick, it means that you’re acting like a dickhead. As soon as you take the criticism and stop acting like that, they’ll stop calling you that.

          • Probotector

            Has it occurred to you someone might call a person that simply because they don’t like them? You think all Chinese are innocent, and if they use that phrase then the laowai must be at fault?

          • donscarletti

            No, plenty of Chinese arseholes about. If it’s a one off, it would be my assumption that it’s the guy making the comment that’s got the problem.

            But you’re making it sound like it’s a common occurrence, which is different.

          • donscarletti

            傻逼 is the go to pejorative for saying people are useless, you basically hear it every day about idiotic coworkers, idiotic drivers, etc. It is not a loanword from English either, since it is from the general Chinese pattern of 装逼, 骚逼, 穷逼, etc. Also, 99% you will see the character 逼, rather than 屄, because Chinese don’t learn the latter character in school and it can be censored on the character level.

            小逼 is not a common insult, the only time I’ve ever heard it is something that girls call their vaginas when they’re trying to be cute in bed. What you actually misheard was saobi (骚屄) which means “slut”.

            Anyway, you’re right in that 傻逼 is never ever used to mean someone who can’t speak a language properly, it tends to be used when people are willfully stupid. This has nothing to do with the “逼“ bit, but to do with the differences between 傻, 笨, 蠢, etc. Screwing up language is 笨 but not 傻.

          • ScottLoar

            We disagree.

            騷 is first tone and, yes, a common adjective for a woman who is flirty but not yet cheaply sluttish – I’ve heard a mature woman from Taiwan describe her own way of dressing as 騷 .

            逼 or 屄 depends on where you’ve learned Mandarin, Taiwan or mainland China. I learned 小屄 decades ago. I did not mistake either the tone or characters.

            There are further differences between mainland China’s usages and elsewhere. In mainland China calling a waitress 小姐 is considered insulting; elsewhere it is a polite and common form of address. Mainland Chinese refer to their spouses as 我的愛人; that phrase alone elsewhere causes Chinese to gag.

            The compound’s pattern (adjective-noun) is not the argument between us; I still maintain the compound 傻逼seems to come from English because it is a new arrival, I don’t see it used before the last decade or so but welcome references.

          • donscarletti

            I asked around the office, many people had never heard the term 小屄, but those who use it say it apparently is applied to men more often than women, saying that they’re unimportant, that they’re the speaker’s younger brother, unimpressive and weak. Anyway, I’m happy that I learned a new term.

            I happened to also learn the character 屄 before 逼 before I came to China, because I had a Chinese coworker that liked to teach me naughty words (corpse 尸 + cave 穴 = wicked crevice). Despite that, if you look at any of the stories on this site, they always use 逼, 比 or B. Just like nobody writes 肏, always 操.

          • ScottLoar

            I don’t disagree. I do know my Mandarin dates from a different social context and time than modern mainland Chinese Mandarin. But if we want to talk filth – I know I have your attention – we should look to Hong Kong Cantonese, like the graphic character 舌 placed inside the character 乃. I’ve never seen this character elsewhere but keep it in my vocabulary, almost affectionately I may add.

          • SuperHappyCow

            My name is probopoopter, My butt really hurts. Also, I am not a racist.

          • Panda Banana

            why is it when you and Linette dislike something/someone, you always call them “old” or “pedophile”?

            Maybe i see things to rational, and rational thought is obviously not he strongest virtue of you 2 ladies, but nether the less….what is this all about?

            I mean, you can’t really know how old someone is, so why not just “looser”?

            how was your weekend BTW, whats going on at KFC? Are the Paki and Arab midgets still keeping it real?

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Well said, not rational thinking. Loving the midgets, they keep it real for eattot, yo!

          • Boris

            That’s remarkable. I was composing a response in my head which was almost word for word identical with yours. You’ve just saved me a sentence. And on a side note, I’ve always preferred you to Christopher Lee.

          • Pickle

            I thought she said she didn’t get plastic surgery and had proof. Or is that some other woman.

          • Probotector

            Ew! Reminds me of the Face Boss in Castlevania II on the NES.

  • anon101

    I dont think they looks the same, there are some I would talk to if we were at a bar and others I wouldnt. perhaps they all looks the same to chinese people because they are smiling, and this is different as they are used to frowns, little frowns, bigger frowns and frowns that have blood splatters.

  • Kate

    This shit again? Days on Reddit, days on Kbang, DM, YouTube, and now Csmack. Let the Korean bashing begin.

    http://kotaku.com/blame-photoshop-for-koreas-beauty-queen-clones-482285894

    If anyone cares, that site shows the girls as they normally are. They all look alike due to same thick makeup and heavy photoshopping. Their normal pics, they do look different.

    But of course this won’t matter to some Csmackers because they practically have an orgasm at the chance to bash Koreans. I can hear the fapping now.

    I’m done.

    • The Enlightened One

      If that’s the case then 14 or 16 should win the REAL beauty contest as far as those normal pics go. Am I right or am I right?

    • vincent

      14 for sure, but I wonder what number 2 looks like with her hair tied back or something, she looks rather unique.

      • The Enlightened One

        Hmm… you may be right… 6-7 aren’t too bad either.

    • carmouflagger

      Im so sick of this and that Boston shii :|

    • the ace of books

      Thanks for the link, Kate. Can’t see the Youtubes, but having it be a photoshop issue rather than a strived-for-imitation makes it better (a little).

    • BiggJ

      It’s already a full time job hatin chinese….I can’t fit koreans into my schedule….maybe next week. lol

    • Kai

      Aw come on, Kate, I don’t think that’s fair. kB showed the before and after images and we at cS went out of our way to mention and link to it. The story was big in China too, so that’s why Allison translated it.

      You know our sites well enough to know we don’t post stuff with the intent for people to bash anyone.

      You and like one or two, maybe three commenters (Linette…who else?) have some weird ongoing grudge match on jC and kB, but I’m not sure you can really call them “Csmackers” as the generalization of the commenters on cS is that they have an orgasm at the chance to bash the Chinese and are usually holding up the Japanese and Koreans as model Asians. I don’t think you can really make “site gangs” out of the commenters. There aren’t gangs of commenters who call each site their home turf going around to each of the sister sites flashing site gang signs representin’ “Kbang” or “Csmack” or whatever. Therefore, not much sense making it out to be like that. You have beef with a few people, don’t generalize them onto the rest of cS.

      • The Enlightened One

        Kai’s right, you shouldn’t take it personal. A lot of people just hate on everyone, even their own people.

        It’s just people venting, it doesn’t really even mean anything. Just a form of therapy for the masses. Vent all your anger on Koreans today but travel there tomorrow and say Seoul was an awesome city.

        People are people, what do you want?

      • BiggJ

        She went full Korean…….never go full Korean.

    • BiggJ

      Why defend korea so much? People are always going to talk shit about everything. You seem to take it really personal. Just because you live in korea and have a korean husband and a kid, who cares what people on the internet say about some korean girls looking the same? I have a chinese wife and have a place in china….but i could 2 fucks about the place. Just relax. :)

      • SuperHappyCow

        because people dont like to cater to stupid ideas that it would seem, spread like some fucking conflaguration

    • don mario

      isnt it something like 75% of korean women that get plastic surgery….so they can all look……. LIKE THIS. but yea, i guess this is just bullshit right? you are full of shit. even if they only had make up and no surgery(which obviously didnt happen), they are still being made up to look EXACTLY THE SAME which is fucked up in itself.

  • Ruaraidh

    Only try-hards enter beauty contests anyway. If not this, what exactly would everyone expect pageant entrees to be like?

  • ex-expat

    I don’t care how much plastic surgery they’ve had.

    • Panda Banana

      its true! at least from my experience. I was several times in korea and had really a hard time to score. The thing about koreans is that you can even have a good korean friend, and you can ask him to help you introduce you to a girl. He will have no problems doing that, BUT you can bet your ass that he will do everything necessary so you can’t fuck her.

      China is probably the easiest country i asia to find something to fuck, followed by HK. Even i would say that HKese lack even more hygiene then women from the mainland, probably due to that most of them live in fucking mouseholes they call apartments. Many HK girls have really bad looking skin. HK milfs on the other side, especially the ones with a great job and enough money, look very attractive and care about themselves.

      I guess HK girls save money for a handbag rather then spend some of it for soap or parfume. But HK or mainland women, 95% of them still walk around with a bush!, fucking disgusting!

      • jon776

        It’s not that hard if you know where to look. Many Korean girls love foreigners, especially white guys. The majority of them don’t, but there’s still lots of them.

        • Panda Banana

          well, i am not the bar type foreigner. I prefer conservative looking girls/women. I am not into sluts and whores, simply cause they look unreal and are not much of a challenge to me. I am a hunter, i like to conquer. What makes me excited is not the possible fuck itself, but the play and the way towards her cunt, and the surprise how dirty she will get later on. There is nothing exciting about a sluttish looking girl/women who later on behaves sluttish in bed trying her best. I like the lady with taste and style who behaves lady like in public, but like a whore in bed, and in case she is not a whore in bed, I will make her one.

          I was 7 years in china, and NEVER went to these bars where other foreigners meet, drink beer and pick up sluts. I was a couple of times in high class karaoke clubs with my chinese partners, spending 10s of thousands for a couple of hours. The girls where included, which means you could bring them into your room and fuck them if you want. Some very nice looking ones amongst them, and even then i just dipped a bit on the overpriced cognac and went back to my room alone or in the sauna…

          I am a man of strong principles and think business wise, and paying for something i can get for free in a much more exciting way, wouldn’t make sense. I live a good life and like style and taste, a slut would just blur that life. I like to make sluts out of women, not sluts out of sluts.

          • jon776

            Well, if you’ve got thousands to blow and can’t figure out how to get the more convervative girls I don’t know how to help you. I’ve had no problems with “conservative” Korean girls. But you will have to endure the slow process of dating a few times before anything fun happens.

          • Panda Banana

            thats my point, I have no problems getting conservative girls all over the world to do nasty shit. I keep tons of video recordings, pics, phone calls, messages, letters, in my data base for fun.

            Problem is, every time i went to korea(3-4 times so far) it was just for a couple of days, weekends and so on where i had business shit to do, so not so much time for hunting. And i guess you are right, when it comes to korean chicks one has to invest a bit more time. I was just one time successful, and it was out of pure luck. Picked up a business lady from Seoul at the lobby. She was just checking in, i jumped into the same elevator, blablabla, invitation for a drink at the bar before sleep, and thats it. She was a good fuck BTW. Was hoping to keep her as one of my steady hobby-whores cause she matched all the attributes i favor in a women, married with children, intelligent, stylish…and knows how to appreciate a nice cock. We chatted back and forth afterwards, met her a second time when she came over to HK, and after that she moved with her family to another city in korea…sad story, such a nice pussy.

          • Brett

            Coala banana, are you back, you bastard?

          • Panda Banana

            after tomorrow i am out of here, back to business, so don’t worry my friend. And i guess it will take some months before i come back again. New adventures are waiting for the banana man and lots of new pussies.

            So after tomorrow its again business as usual for you guys, so you can keep on with:

            lol, i like you,lol, how was your day, lol, virtual hug, hmmmm, lol, nice day, lol, virtual coffee, lol, LV, lol, mainland, lol, Gucci, lol, handbag, lol, korea, japan, lol, PS, lol, nose job,…and so on….

            LOL !

          • mr.wiener

            Drop by for some Slivovitsa if you ever come to taiwan.

          • Panda Banana

            sure i will my friend…right now in Thailand till 1st may, then back home to HK.

            The music business is waiting for the banana man. I am totally excited to try something new, different from what i did until now. I will conquer, be ruthless and unforgiving! Even i am not into blackmailing ladies for pussy, I cant wait to see how much effort some of the “talents” are willing to put in, for a chance to get famous.

            Thats my big talent, i use and abuse, but i do it in such a way that they come back for more. :-)

          • Brett

            Haha, I knew you’d be back. Out of the mainland for good, then?

          • Panda Banana

            not really Brett. HK to be precise, seems i somehow like to be close to the action, but still away enough to be on the safer side when shit hits the fan. Right now in Bangkok taking care of business. I could even imagine living here, but the fucking traffic sucks and the weather, 38C at night is no joke! Of course there are much nicer people here then in HK or China, but i still prefer the chaos around me just chinese can offer me.

          • vincent

            Hey Brett long time, how’s the baby? :)

          • Brett

            Hey Vincent, things are well. The baby is starting her 7th month and she’s bigger every day.

            Tell you the truth, I wanted to have a son first, but nothing beats waking up to a smiling baby girl.

          • The Enlightened One

            Wow, they grow up fast. Seven months already?

          • Brett

            I know, right? I still remember making the announcement here back in October.

            She was born 3.7kg, now she’s 8.7. Crazy fast

          • Rick in China

            Not sure if this was mentioned Panda, but Korea has an unusually strong Christian ethic compared to most other nations around this area – and friends who lived in Korea say that’s one oft he bigger reasons the girls are much less likely to be easy lays in general compared to other places.

          • Panda Banana

            i know, heard that too…comparable to christian nut heads in the US. The only difference, the christians in the US are hypocrites and fuck around like crazy. I guess the koreans still keep it real.

      • KaiXuan

        Do you even know why pubic hair even exists?

        • Panda Banana

          let me tell you a story i experienced more then once in china:

          take a girl home, discover the bush between her legs, bring her to the bathroom, let her sit on the toilette seat, take out the razor and foam, spread her legs, and start to shave her.

          Some start to cry, others laugh, and some don’t even know what is happening.

          Lets take the ones who cry. I asked them why they cry,(thinking it might be out of shame), they ALL said they are afraid that they will get sick now and maybe even die!..and i am not making this up…when i ask them where they got this from, they told me from their mothers and grandmothers. Kinda like the kids who are born in some fucked up christian family where parents tell their children they will get blind when masturbating.

          My point is not about why it exists, its about what THEY believe it, and WHY they keep it!!!

          You know, you no longer live centuries ago, where people have limited access to water and soap. A women or men now a days can very well take care about their own hygiene and change their underwear everyday!

          Apparently you are a bush keeper? All power to you, in case you dont wash and shower on a daily basis and need your bush to collect bacteria and dirt on it and you think that this way it prevents entering your vagina. You might also think that it serves you as an air conditioner keeping your pussy cool on hot days, I couldn’t care less.

          Fact of the matter is, either you like to collect bacteria and germs, or think it serves you as an air pocket, or cause it makes your hubby hot, or you believe in grandmas gossips developed out of endless winter nights sitting at a campfire in a cave, its still: SICK!

          • random guest

            Hi, completely random guy here.

            I’m French, I’ve lived in China, and now I’m living in Spain. I’d say 90% of all the women I’ve seen naked in front of me (a large majority European) have a bush, and a clean bush for that matter.

            My question is: why is the argument “we’re not in the middle ages any more, and we have access to proper hygiene and soap” valid for “you don’t have to have pubic hair to protect your genitalia”, and not valid for “you can have all the pubic hair you want, because you’ll be able to clean it quite nicely every day!” ?

            If the problem is Asia/China (due to somewhat lower hygine conditions), then the same would apply to hair. Back in the days, shaving your head bald was the proper way to avoid bacteria, dirt and lice. Lice are still around, so I guess the next recommendation would be that every mand and women should shave their own heads?

            Best regards,
            Random dude

          • KaiXuan

            Horribly reasoned. Just say you prefer the bald pussy look and be done with it….

          • Rick in China

            I don’t think it’s a bad reason at all.

            I don’t mind hair on top – but hair around the lips is funky – at least if you are a guy and enjoy or don’t mind giving oral. I don’t know any dude who likes hair jutting off pussy lips while they’re licking their woman, getting lodged in their teeth – or just loosely falling off into their mouths.. maybe those exist, I don’t think it’s the majority.

            Hair up top doesn’t matter. It’s out of the way. It can look nice, especially if trimmed. Hair on the lips, however, is absolutely disgusting and needs to be kept neat.

            It’s the equivalent of say, if guys had hairs sticking off the bottom rim of their dick head. You think girls would want to suck that “natural” form?

          • Panda Banana

            you brought up a good point Rick!

            I too think that hair on top is still acceptable.

            I love to go down and lick a fine piece of pussy when the coats is clear. Its heart breaking to see a beautiful girl with a nice face, but between her legs pure nightmare. They should all keep the top hair at a reasonable length, but around both holes i want it clean and polished.

            All the girls i shaved and which cried like babies, were later thankful for teaching them how to keep their cunts attractive.

            I think its to a major part chinese males fault. In their culture a women which shaves her pussy must be a whore. At least i heard so from some of them….

          • KaiXuan

            Ahhhhh! Teaching the ignorant native savages about proper hygiene!! Ahhh the White Man’s Burden!

          • Panda Banana

            no, i don’t teach anyone anything I just say i will not fuck or lick a chick with a bush around her hole. In case i like to fuck or lick her and she HAS a bush, the bush has to come off immediately.

            No reason to start to get offensive. No one said”ignorant native savages” and you dont know if i am “white” or not.

            Who is replying anyway?

            The soul brother, or the Chinese “building cultural bridges” girl demonstrating that multi culture works?

          • KaiXuan

            Bad analogy…..again if you like trimmed, good for you. If he likes em bald, good for him. Just don’t slam people who don’t and justify it with your world views..

          • SuperHappyCow

            I don’t fucking understand why girls keep it on the lips, it baffles me. Hair is fine, even unkempt hair around the pubic bone area, but the “Venus Fly Trap” look is not appealing at all.

          • donscarletti

            Dude, if she’s crying, whatever the reason, don’t you think you should stop? I mean, nobody’s forcing you to fuck her and even if they were, pubic hairs won’t kill you.

        • mr.wiener

          To hide their teeth?

          • the ace of books

            As a downstairs beard?

          • SuperHappyCow

            Bro, I don’t even get this one. Dentata?

      • taikongren

        “95% of them still walk around with a bush!, fucking disgusting!”

        You are a fag.

        • Panda Banana

          why its disgusting? and how is that making me a fag?

        • cb4242

          What’s wrong with a hairy bush? Again, each to his own, I personally, don’t like the military look, but that is me! If God didn’t want hair there, he would not have put it there. If you don’t like it, shave, if you do, leave it as it is, it’s no one else’s business. I think nowadays there is too much pressure on women that shaving is the only way to go and that is BS, do what you like. I think it is sexy, some people don’t. Natural is always the best. Maybe for me, it makes a woman look like a woman and not like a kid.

          • hun

            “If God didn’t want hair there, he would not have put it there”

            (O_O)

            Not sure if sarcasm but here goes nothing.

            *ahem*

            You believe in a book that was written by people who believed earth was flat at the time. The end.

          • Probotector

            …and you believe in nothing. The end.

          • cb4242

            Yup, the end.

      • mr.wiener

        I like things hairy on the prairie.

      • jeffli

        Bush is good! ;-) (not the presidents)

        • Panda Banana

          good in case you are a pervert who likes to lick bacteria and rests of dried urine off hairy cunts. Obviously the soul brother she is with doesn’t seem to have a problem with it.

          However, i heard there are man willing to pay for used underwear so they can sniff on them, preferably several weeks old. As stronger the smell the more they pay.

          For me a womens cunt has to be clean and ready at any given day. I am unpredictable and like to lick and fuck my bitches wherever and whenever my dick tells me to do so, and that is quite often! Thats the reason its so much easier to deal with milfs and mature women, they usually know this shit already and are prepared!

          • KaiXuan

            If you lick any pussy, with or without hair, that has not been cleaned before you start, you are always going to be ingesting some amount of “dried urine”…..

          • SuperHappyCow

            my name is coala banana i am absolutely enamored by black people and mention them whenever i can nice to meet you

      • Alphy

        Dude you are coming off as a jerk.

        • Panda Banana

          i have no doubts about that! and i can’t deny that most probably see me as just that, judging by the posts and not knowing me personally, thats just common sense.

          But let me tell you a secret, i am not behind the ones who can’t see, and couldn’t care less what they think about me. I prefer the company of the very few, the ones who understand, the ones who can read between the lines, and the ones with experience…I am open minded to learn.

          And having said that, i wasn’t able to learn anything new from YOU, I didn’t know before.:-), but you on the other end, received so much knowledge and wisdom from me, and the only thing you can come up with is: “Dude you are coming off as a jerk”….you are just not ready, just not ready!

          • Alphy

            I am just saying if you want to share your experience, do it in a way that find it less offensive, like avoid talking about women as if they are just things you could have your ways with.

            Let’s say you don’t like the hair down there for hygienic purpose (I agree with you btw), you should just state your reason instead of calling it f-ing disgusting. Anyways I am sure you will just ignore what I say and continue how you write, but I am just trying to give some friendly advice.

          • SuperHappyCow

            He only talks about Asian women like that. To him, they’re just walking fleshlights.

          • bo

            ’95% of them still walk around with a bush!, fucking disgusting!’ You can’t be open-minded and you can’t learn a fuck!

          • nitrostat

            “judging by the posts and not knowing me pseronally”… uhh.. your posts make you who you are…

            ” the ones who understand” are all retarded too
            ” the ones who can read between the lines, and the ones with experience… I am open minded to learn” … LOL, so delusional in your own little world. you’re open minded? go look at your previous post regarding how you generalize chinese women and korean women by their hygeine… i believe it speaks volumes!!!!

          • linette lee

            Don’t bother wasting your time with pedophile panda.
            He spends half a day here daily typing half a page posts no normal human would read. Without reading and by just a glimpse you would see his posts are filled with these words…Asian, women, China, hong kong, fxck..sex… And basically that’s about it in all his posts. He is so desperate wanting sex with china and hong kong girls but couldn’t get laid in real life, that is why he spends so much time here typing out his imagination and fantasy. Hey… he probably couldn’t get laid in a whore house even if he pays for it in china. lol. He is mental. I can only imagine if he does get lucky in real life all he gets are the susan boyle type chinese women. That is why all he can do is come here daily to type his fantasy. He is all over the place.

          • SpeakDaTruth

            im sure Panda Banana can sleep with you if he wants too. All he need to do is flash you with some LV bag or his expensive car. You and BB will be wet. Coz youre both shallow retard.

          • linette lee

            it’s okay. You can go sleep with him. Go help yourself and don’t be shy. I won’t judge you. ;)

            Another thing is that, most likely the only thing he has is a laptop and his dirty underwear and his big belly sitting jobless in some basement masturbating on internet photos of asian women.

          • Panda Banana

            well i have physical evidence to prove you wrong and to support my claims. What do you have to support yours? Your imagination only and assumptions?

          • SuperHappyCow

            Pedo panda. I like that.

          • Panda Banana

            you dont need to like that.

            First, you must learn to like yourself!

            And i bet, AFTER you’ve learned THAT(to like yourself), it will become very unlikely that you would like and write again:

            “Pedo panda. I like that.”

            the fact that you like such things has to do with yourself more then with anyone or anything else! I don’t even play a role in that, at least not a major one. The only role i play is, that i passed by(by pure chance) and out of your own convenience and insecurity, you chose to use me as an example.

            Nothing wrong with that,and that doesn’t make you necessarily a bad person. It just makes you a weak person…having said THAT, i would suggest you to work on yourself! I know its hard to do, especially when someone is not gifted with something to start with. But we all did start somewhere….

          • SuperHappyCow

            Didn’t we have a 2 o’clock appointment to poop in eachother’s butts?

          • http://www.facebook.com/rosemon.pilot Rosemon Calvin Pilot

            LMAO!!! The flame wars in here are SOOOOOO got damn ENTERTAINING!!!! Panda’s a mixed bag for me….he seems to spout some know it all wisdom….but comes off as a racist sexist douche bag as well…but still funny!

          • linette lee

            you think? Nothing wrong with flame war. People come here to talk shxt about China. This is china smack. Not hustlet porn chat site on chinese women.

          • Panda Banana

            why you mention Susan Boyle?

            She obviously is not a good example of an attractive women(at least not from the outside), BUT why you always need to bring up names and post pictures of “ugly” looking people, to prove a point?

            Can’t you see how ridiculous that is, especially when coming from someone who too isn’t attractive?

            Can’t you see how weak and simple minded that is?

            An unattractive person is looking out for examples for even lesser attraction and more ugliness the she carries with herself?

            Do you really have no idea what you are talking about?

            You just said that Susan Boyle, a talented and gifted person(unlike you), could just get someone desperate, someone who couldn’t even get laid in a whore house willing to pay for it, someone mental?! Why you talk down on other women like that?

            By now you should have learned a thing or two in life, sadly (for you) thats not the case:-(

          • SuperHappyCow

            Boo, you SUCK!

            :D

        • KaiXuan

          He is one. He isn’t shy about that at all. He probably had a coming out party a long time ago to celebrate it, I probably missed it or he is a new account for one of the old jerks I don’t see anymore on here.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Coala Banana. Only talks about his dick and how he exists to have sex with non-discriminating Chinese women. Also, he absolutely loves talking about black people. It would seem like I’m making that last one up, though, wouldn’t it?

            He’s kind of a twat.

          • linette lee

            oh…I see. The problem is that china smack can’t get rid of a cyber sex addict like pedophile panda or coala banana or whatever other user names he used …hiding in the basement jobless masturbating on internet photos of asian women, Using China smack to get attention from chinese women.
            Typing half page long posts about the same thing daily.

            He is turning China smack into a porno sex discussion site about asian women. I just don’t know what fauna’s going to do with this problem. She can’t get rid of him.

      • Probotector

        You know, I shaved my GF’s pussy tonight. Seriously. I’d been pestering her for weeks to commence deforestation. Can’t stand that shit.

        • Panda Banana

          you did the right thing brother! Hope you know that you did gods work?? Yeah, thats my man!

      • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

        Given the number of stores like Watsons and Boots and Mannings and so on there, I find that really surprising. Given that I doubt most Chinese females don’t even use underarm rollon, usual stupid health excuses, I find it harder to believe about HK girls, but thanks for keeping me in the know, always interesting to hear other views.

        • Panda Banana

          HK girls, dress nicer then mainland girls, but bellow the clothes they are less hygienic. I think this has to do that they work harder and longer then mainlanders. HK is an expensive city, housing prices extremely high, not much money left for other things. Go during lunch time out and look at the line ups in front of cheap noodle restaurants (18HK$ the bowl), all man and women in official clothing which crawl out from the office towers.

          Its true, they work hard and they are under constant pressure. I myself had hundreds of such “slaves”, and let them work overtime everyday. They have to do it, cause their counterparts on the mainland are NOT willing to work overtime, even they do it, they are much less productive and its common that they sabotage and destroy things to pay you back the mistreatment. The ordinary HK hypocritical fuck wouldn’t dare to behave in the same way, cause jobs are hard to get in HK, especially well paid ones.

          However, good you mention Watsons, Mannings, 7/11, Sasa and others…..cause they were some of my clients at one point in my career, and i know all the CEOs personally. Don’t think that there best sellers are “condoms and wet tissues” so that HKes can protect themselves and clean there genitals, thats wrong. HK Canton people are amongst the dirtiest in whole china(i exclude grown successful women from that), but let me tell you that 95% of all people you see at ANY given day and time in ANY of this stores, are tourists, foreigners and mainlanders. HKes dont have the time and dont have the money to buy some extra shit. I mean they have the money, they could buy some wet tissue by example, but its not on top of their priority list, they must save and save and save(and trust me, in a city like HK its hard to save money), to be able one day, in around 250 years to buy an apartment.

          HK girls lack hygiene compared to mainland girls! Fact! Mainland girls got lots of time on their hands, and the good looking ones don’t even need to work at all. Mainlanders(girls and women) are VERY WELL aware of the hygienic situation around them, the streets, dirty males with rotten teeth, the environment in general, and the fact that they dont like to get sick(cause it costs money and it could be a huge set back having caught Hepatitis C and HiV), they usually care more about their personal hygiene, then someone who lives in a “cleaner” environment, where its common that people shake hands and wash them.

          Mainland males are dirtier then HK males, but HK females are dirtier then mainland females.

          Either way, most of them (HK or Mainlanders) could use some hair trimming around their genitals.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Interesting, I liked the wet wipes from watsons, very refreshing in summer, small world that you have dealt with them in business. They also sell my favourite english biscuits, hob nobs, hard to find elsewhere, another plus.

      • nitrostat

        way to generalize women by their ethnicity smart ass. i don’t think its about Korean girls being stuck up, they just probably realize that your not good enough for them? hey if the mainlanders are sleeping with you without thinking much of their hygiene.. i wonder how much they care about you ?

        • Panda Banana

          maybe your mindset is a bit twisted my friend:-), you are upset cause so far I couldn’t get as much korean pussy as i though i could?? and i though this would be a compliment for korean women:-(??

          And not THE mainlanders are sleeping with me(i am good, not not THAT good), just a small portion.

          In fact to make my reply more educational, so even you are upset with me, you can still learn something from my post:

          I am well organized in everything i am doing, and i well aware of the strength of my troops of women. I wouldn’t go so far to say i had a full ‘legion’ of women i had sex with, cause that would indicate that the number is up to 6000, which is not the case, BUT I definitely had a full ‘cohort’(to spare your time looking what that means, its around 500).

          The problem which comes into play is not the amount of women who had the pleasure to widen their sexual horizon, its about how to organize that amount. Its obvious that just a few can become part in the elite troop called ‘cohort1′. These are the best of the best, and they will have the privilege of getting the banana mans cock more then once.

          You see there is lots of things to be learned from history. The old romans had cohorts 1-10 (I-X), and organized the soldiers into 10 different categories, from elite to “no special designation”. And believe it or not, thats exactly the way i explain it to all the ladies worldwide. And to be honest, most of the time i get ill laughter as a response to that. But again believe it or not, a high percentage of the ones laughing about it, fuck with me anyway, AND in addition to that, later on, even write resumes to be accepted in ‘cohort I’ in case i demand that.

          Truth is, just veeeery few can make it into cohort I. Most end into up into ‘cohort III’ which is the “no special designation unit”, BUT some are useful to become members of ‘cohort VII’(and lets NOT underestimate this cohort), cause under the romans ‘cohort VII’ was the place to find trainees and raw recruits with potential to make it one day into the higher ranks!

          I know for most all this sounds like disrespectful against women. I for one don’t think i am disrespectful. Its true i can just respect a women(or any other man) if this person shows some self respect first, then i will respect her. I have 3 real girlfriends i have long time relations with 3-8 years, one french(3 years), one chinese(6 years) and my japanese GF(over 8 years). All this girls have shown endurance, discipline, self love and self respect, and its hard to resist that sort of person. I NEVER had any sorts of misunderstanding over all the years with anyone of them. So the results and my theory speaks for itself.

          However, its NOT about ethnicity, its about self respect, fact is most women lack self respect big time. And even then I still treat them with respect, at least until i am done with them. I am not the post sex hugging and kissing type of man. After the job is done, the bitch has to go, and i said it before:

          there is no rational reason to share a fine glass of Chateau Mouton and J.S.Bach coming through my B&W Nautilus speakers with a bitch who a few moments ago had her mouthful and jizz all over her face.

          As dirty as i am during sex, there is still something like style and etiquette after the dirt is washed away and i slip into my Burberry Pijama to enjoy the moments after!

          • Panda Banana

            BTW, by around 500 i mean in asia alone of course…over a period of 8 years

          • SuperHappyCow

            God, SHUT UP.

          • Panda Banana

            dont read it if you cant stand the truth. But we both know that you read it all and loved each and every word of it, until you realized that and felt shame, and now act in this aggressive manner frustrated about yourself.

            how is life treating you anyway? still pissed about the white mans 500 years of oppression against your brothers and sisters? or are you on the way to get a real life!?

          • SuperHappyCow

            I actually read a quarter until I remembered what a dufus you are. :>

          • The Enlightened One

            LOL,

            I don’t get why people are even responding to you with all this hate. You already mentioned you would be gone in a few days. I guess people just need to get their therapy session.

            You should charge forums for trolling people and raking up the posts. You could make a killing and that’s not a bad thing either.

    • carmouflagger

      Challenge accepted.

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      Hehe… Is that you, Kraft Mac man?

    • http://www.facebook.com/rosemon.pilot Rosemon Calvin Pilot

      LMBAO!!!! You win the internet!!!!

  • Panda Banana

    they all look good, no question. My favorites:

    1. number 7 in the pinky dress

    2. number 13 in black

    3. number 10 in red

    don’t know why people post that they all look the same. All different in my opinion.

    • Panda Banana

      4. 16 in white, looks also good!

    • http://www.weibowatcher.com/ WeiboWatcher.com

      yeah, they is enough variation that they don’t look the same. go to the koreabang site and check the before and after photos and it is obvious they don’t look the same. they’re pretty much all run of the mill girls bar one or two

    • MonkeyMouth

      3…. i am a man of unique tastes is guess….

  • http://500px.com/justinrjones whiskersthecat

    There’s a subtlety in plastic surgery that is necessary to keep things looking natural and not like fragile Michael Jackson-like monstrosities. A good example would be people who have plastic surgery/reconstructive surgery because of accidents and trauma rather than for cosmetics. My mom was in a car accident in her university years, back before shoulder seat belts were common, and smashed her nose on the dash of the car. You would never know she had plastic surgery to fix her nose unless you looked at her photos from before that. Interestingly enough, they got rid of the aquiline nose we’re all blessed with and given a more average-of-every-kind-of-white-persons-nose approach. They did a great job, and this was a back in the late 60′s/early 70′s. You look at some of these girls (not the ones here, these girls all look like the same hot girl) and wonder why they paid to have these deformities sawed and chiseled onto their faces.

  • Genghis

    Pot calling the kettle black.

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      I was gonna say… the so-called “Chinese beauties” all look like this too. When i go out by the seaside where the multitudes of production-line grooms and brides have wedding photoshoots, they all look the same. Scary.

      • don mario

        its true, this is the type that they like.

  • http://www.facebook.com/IsThatSolyaris Chris Wagner

    I like the hair color.

  • Emilio Pucci

    And guess what? They all want a good 9 inches up their twats. Plus some – check this Korean chick out:

    http://h2porn.com/videos/holy-mother-of-god/?utm_source=naxnet2&utm_medium=thumb&utm_campaign=Videos

    • mr.wiener

      We don’t post porn on here Nimrod.

  • TheDon

    My korean Girl is all natural, and i love the way she is…she tells me how korean girls at the clubs all look the same, so guys next time u go there rely on their clothes to identify them otherwise you’ll end up kissing someone else’s girl.

    • don mario

      thats pretty scary. i have seen a couple of korean fitness models with a typical asian small eyes look that are completely stunning… just think about all the wasted women that are making themselves look just like everyone else..

  • Daniel

    My chinese girlfriend is more beautiful than any of these korean “beauty” girls.

    • http://www.weibowatcher.com/ WeiboWatcher.com

      photo please

      • Daniel

        Only photo on my phone but I think you get the picture.

        • Daniel

          By the way, what you see is without makeup or Photoshop.

          • Terrik

            Looks good to me! I feel the same about my girlfriend. At the very least, I know what I’m seeing is real.

          • Daniel

            You are absolutely right.

          • SuperHappyCow

            THIS IS MAD CREEPY DAWG

          • Bugs Bunny

            you gf looks very neat,not bad!
            but i do not think she is so great in china.
            this is my niece, even such a pretty girl can not be her class flower, because i saw her classmates,another girl really looks better than her.taller and whiter and more perfect.
            when i was in school, every class has a super pretty girl at least.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Robertus Englundus

            so tall and white is “more perfect”? Inner beauty and confidence my dear gal….and an adventurous spirit, you need to learn haha

          • Gerousia

            Why is it ok for people to have beauty standards which explicitly emphasize blackness, but the moment anyone says anything positive about pale skin/whiteness or, god forbid, white features, people like you reflexively try to thought-police them?

            “Black is beautiful”? But not white?

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Not at all,

            I am just prodding fun at her, there is white worship in asia….you cant deny that alas.

          • POS

            You need to understand why Asians value white skin in the first place, nothing to do with Euro-worship, everything to do with class and hierarchy; the dark sunburnt peasants toil in the fields, the shaded aristocracy in their towers.

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Fair enough, is it not then quite similar to the caste system in India then?!

          • SuperHappyCow

            Because the idea of something being black is constantly looked down upon and attacked by people all over to such an extent that it alters historical facts, like ancient Egyptians being dark skinned. They were called as much by the people who lived around them, but today, it’s such a novel idea that they could have been dark. I mean, FFS, Egypt is an African country, unless we’re referring to ancient Egypt where they made pretty cool shit, then they’re all white, or tan.

            I’m even reading a book called “The Name of The Wind”, which is fine and dandy, despite every other page, something about blackness or darkness is used to illustrate how something is evil or suspicious. Mind you, there’s a group of people in the book called Caelds that have no negative stereotypes.

            The idea that blackness is equivocated with something anywhere near beauty by anyone that isn’t black is a joke. Hatred for the idea “black” is pretty ingrained in western culture.

            By the way, it’s a pretty goddamn good book.

          • James

            Well one reason may be the whiter they are the less likely they are to have blue butt

          • don mario

            adventurous, and confident girls are destined to become leftover women in china.

        • http://www.weibowatcher.com/ WeiboWatcher.com

          She’s pretty. She does look about 14 though.

          • Daniel

            I guess that’s a good thing. She is 23 so maybe when she is 40 she will look like 20. I will not mind.

    • MeCampbell30

      Real girls only Mante Teo.

    • Pickle

      Going by that pic, you aren’t lying.

      • Daniel

        Thanks! Her personality is even more beautiful.

        • Pickle

          Then you are even luckier than I thought. That picture is hazy but despite that I can tell how pretty she is so I can imagine a clearer one how she’d shine. Nice thick hair and good skin tone. And you say her personality better. Marry her quickly.

          • Daniel

            Yes, she is a beauty on both inside and outside and we are marrying this July.

          • Pickle

            Congrats!!

  • Bolo

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  • breed11

    The bigger issue is the inferiority complex that makes Asians hate their natural features and want Western ones, double eye lids, straighter noses, etc. it’s a shame and sad. Also, don’t get the Chinese reactions, most people think they look the same.

    • don mario

      there is gonna be a lot of sour people when the day comes that ‘single eye lids’ come into fashion..

      watch it happen.

    • Pickle

      Do you seriously think any of these women look more white? We all know western means white.

  • http://www.facebook.com/etienne.sollner Etienne Sollner

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tasty bush
    and it lubricates

    • 5,000 years of uncivilization

      I don’t know what you’re all looking at… all i see is meat.

  • LuoyangLaowai

    I want to see a Plastic Surgery Free Beauty Contest. I hate seeing all the Fake shit. They are just as beautiful with out the nose job, Chin job , and any other job that they do these days. NATURAL IS ALWAYS BETTER!

  • Alphy

    They don’t look at the same, I think its the airbrush photos. Many Korean do indeed get cosmetic surgery, but most are minor like eye lid line.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damien-Black/1038353644 Damien Black

    Self hate so sad !

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Damien-Black/1038353644 Damien Black

    My GF keeps asking me to get her eyes done , I refuse because being a person of color I find it to be a form of self hate, on the level of Micheal Jackson. She is a pretty Chinese woman to me , humble and kind. I don’t know about this generation of Asian woman who dislike their looks so much and not realizing that nothing they do will change their DNA. This is like a Sci-Fi movie gone bad

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Don’t you think saying you are “a person of color” is also… a form of self hate?

      • POS

        Its America’s most retarded politically correct export. There is no such thing as a “person of color”, fuck what a passe 20th century concept.

    • Panda Banana

      why is she asking you? Her eyes belong to her and when she is unsatisfied with the way she looks, then you should support her.

      I have the feeling that you carry more problems with you then she does.

      And regarding your DNA point, you should see things from another perspective. You can have “bad” DNA by looking “bad”, or you can have “bad” DNA by looking good and feel good about yourself.

      She just want her eyes done, whats the big deal? Are you afraid that she will look better then before and will most likely attract other man? Damn, you guys should not see your women as your property….

    • don mario

      just leave her dude, one of my ex;s got it. she looks like a freak now, glad im no longer with such a shallow minded person. cut your loses.

    • POS

      Whats a “person of color”? There is no such thing. Trying telling a Korean that they are the same as Africans because they’re not Caucasian.

  • alchymyst

    Still trying to figure out how spending thousands of dollars on braces to
    attain perfect teeth is any different than spending thousands of dollars
    wanting to attain a symmetrical nose, or jaw. The health benefits aren’t really
    that great for someone who already has decent teeth, but people still want them
    perfectly straight anyway. Why? Because it looks good and makes us feel more
    confident about ourselves.

    No one would think twice about someone with slightly crooked teeth that wanted
    to get them straightened up. Nor would we say someone should embrace the
    “uniqueness” of their vampire, gapped snaggleteeth. When it comes to
    other facial features, however, it’s suddenly a lot more controversial. Why?
    Because plastic surgery and altering facial features other than the teeth, is a
    relatively new concept. Braces long ago received the official stamp of societal
    approval. Face lifts, nose jobs, etc., are basically just a different form of
    braces that not many people fully accept yet. Give it another 20 to 30+ years,
    and it will be just as common.

    Fact is, we all appreciate and still like unique looking individuals. They’re
    what keep things interesting. In the end, however, it’s the girls with faces
    like the ones in this article that we’d all rather sleep with. They know this
    well.

    • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

      I agree with you completely, but one could argue that having straight teeth has health benefits on top of aesthetic benefits…

      • Panda Banana

        you are right, but when you take INTENTIONS into account, why people do it, then i doubt you will find a majority on the side of “oh i like to make it cause of my general health”…the INTENTION of the majority is and will always be, to look good! health is just a nice side effect for the weak used for justification out of weakness. Truth is they look ugly and want to look beautiful.

        • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

          breast reduction surgery to reduce chronic back pain, anyone? :P

          but i’d still say you’re quite correct. Personally, i don’t think of opting for PS to be a sign of weakness… speaking with my friends who have had PS done, it definitely takes a bigger pair to go under the knife and suffer the short-to-long term side effects after…

          • don mario

            rubbish. of course it stems from some weakness in their self image (which may or may not be improved after the surgery)

          • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

            but it takes bravery and sacrifice to take the PS route… i suppose the Valium route is just as viable…

          • don mario

            no it doesnt, it takes desperation. and sometimes foolishness, for example, the morons who get the bones in their legs broken and pulled apart so that they will grown back together and they will end up taller.

            what kind of fool would put themselves through that sort of barbaric torture just for the sake of vanity, so they can get a few more cms of height ?

            brave would be the people who go against this shit and stay natural. when everyone else around them is doing it.

          • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

            Some people are more susceptible to mental stress than physical stress. They choose to make physical sacrifices. It’s a matter of identifying a perceived problem and dealing with it. Some people choose narcotics, some choose prescription drugs and many choose alcohol. Or you can just avoid everyone and stay home. Depends on whether you want a short, intense solution or a long, drawn-out one.

          • don mario

            exactly what a said… a weakness in their self image. nothing brave about it.

            a better option would be to face the issues you have with your self image and improve them, because many people feel no better after they have had the surgery.

        • don mario

          changing teeth alignment is not really changing teeth. getting bigger eyes, a taller nose and sawing your jaw bone off to make your face smaller IS changing how your face looks. they both for aesthetic reasons but they are FAR from the same thing.

          this was a shitty comparism to begin with.

          • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

            “changing teeth alignment” may sometimes include jaw re-alignment for over/under-bite correction, teeth removal and even open surgery in some cases. Let’s not forget tooth implants either. Operations can be just as invasive as PS.

          • don mario

            thats going for the same RESULT. even though the surgery maybe more invasive, thats beside the point i was making. the result is still to align your teeth, either teeth next to each other, or teeth above and below each other. the result is not to change the appearence of your teeth to something that was totally different to what you were born with, example vampire teeth or some shite like that.

            on the other side of things, these people are not getting their FACE realigned either. if they were using PS to get a crooked nose or uneven eyebrow straightened, nobody would give a hoot, because the intention is completely different.

          • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

            Teeth undergo similar operations to achieve the desired proportions and symmetry. There are also whitening operations to change the color. Tooth implants change what you were born with.

            Why is it ok to change your vampire teeth? How is the intention to change your look through your teeth different than changing your look through your eyes? Getting eyelid surgery is just an incision and some stitches and getting braces is just some shaving and some metal to hold them in place.

          • don mario

            your not getting what i am saying. i said if you changed your teeth to vampire teeth, that would be comparable to this plastic surgery. nobody is changing the shape of their teeth! nobody is getting double fang teeth surgery. they are just aligning what is already there, to how it should be anyway.

            i already said that is comparable to a crooked nose being straightened. it is NOT comparable to getting another fold in your eyes to make them look less asian.

          • alchymyst

            Again, you are taking extreme cases here. The majority of people who get cosmetic surgery aren’t sawing their faces off to be replaced, they’re slightly adjusting a feature or two.

            And changing teeth alignment does affect how people perceive your smile. Last time I checked, a persons smile also counted towards individual look and overall attractiveness.

          • don mario

            its not really extreme, plenty of asian girls get it. aligning your teeth is not CHANGING your teeth. is it such a hard thing to understand? making your eyes bigger and giving your self a nose bridge, 2 things that are changing your face to something that is not even common in your RACE is not something i can call ‘adjusting’ its totaly changing your face to look like something that isnt even asian anymore.

            double eyelid fold is pretty minor, but the reasoning behind it is still pretty retarded and self hating.

    • don mario

      you got it confused. cosmetic surgery and braces are not the same thing.

      if someone were to get their teeth changed to fangs, or changed to long and thin pointy teeth or something like that, because that looked more appealing then you could have a case, but nobody does that.

      if anyone thinks girls with plastic surgery are more fuckable they simply need to educate their eyes. lots of horny teenage kids think big fake boobs are hot to. doesnt mean the majority of people think that, it just means you have very bad taste and you cannot yet tell the difference between real and fake.

      • alchymyst

        So what you’re saying is that you’d find a girl with natural A size breasts as more attractive than a girl with upgraded C size breasts (assuming their other features were similar)? I don’t buy it. I hope you realize that the majority of girls who do get boob jobs is because their breasts were naturally smaller relative to their body size. It’s like being a tall, burly muscular guy, but your penis is only a few inches long. And it’s on your forehead where everyone can see, not hiding in your pants. I have no issue with girls that do it for this particular reason.

        Plus, a nose or boob job done right is completely undetectable. The only reason plastic surgery recieves such a bad rap is because of people who overdo it. A significant portion of Hollywood actors have undergone some type of cosmetic surgery (even guys), and the majority of them you can’t even tell.

        • don mario

          if that girl with A cups had a nice ass, yes i would prefer her hands down to one with fake tits.

          fake tits look bad. and that is a ridiculous thing to say that they are not in proportion. we are already in proportion when we are born, when you stick fake things on to that, you change how everything else looks, and it looks WRONG. for example, go and look up fake ass surgery and you will find not one that looks good. because to naturally have a big booty, you are gonna need a matching pair of legs to SUPPORT it. you cant just tack on a big booty and expect it to look right. same for boobs. same for your face.

          the majority of cosmetic surgery you can tell, there are websites devoted showing off which new celeb got a nose job or some new fish lips. why? because you can tell! its obvious and it just looks wrong.

          if you have a dick growing out of your forehead by all means, get plastic surgury. those poor people are the ones it was invented for in the first place. i dont understand why being a muscular guy makes any difference, thats not normal for anybody.

          • alchymyst

            When directly looking at before and after pictures, sure you might be able to see the difference. But for a lot of people whom you’ve never met before who have done plastic surgery, it’s impossible to tell. I know people who have gotten nose jobs before, and I would have never guessed. It’s not obvious at all, and it doesn’t look wrong.

            There are tons and tons of pictures of people overdoing it. Naturally, there aren’t going to be pictures of people with more subtle nose and boob jobs posted on the internet because they look completely normal. That’s the whole point. You’re assuming that everyone that gets plastic surgery wants to look like a porn star, or will look like the people you see on the internet after you google “fake ass plastic surgery”, which just isn’t true.

            And have you even been with a girl that’s gotten a boob job before? Because I have, and I can tell you right now they feel just as great as the real things. And truthfully, that’s all that really matters.

          • don mario

            if you have a good eye for whats natural, yes it is obvious. i am not talking about over done or porn star surgery. again you are missing my whole point that getting surgery to change and add stuff on, or take away from your face or body is not natural and just does not look right. i have made plenty of calls about people i have seen in real life who i thought had surgery and i was right about it.

            some people obviously have worse eye’s for it and worse taste than others. no i would never go near a fake titted girl. i cant think of a bigger turn off. and there is no way that can feel real..because it isnt. and they certainly dont look real.

            i told you to google fake booty surgery because thats the most obvious example i can think of that just doesnt look right. another one would be fake 6 pack liposuction. take a look at that, just as bad.

  • Fairytale

    This is not shocking for some reason. It appears good actually. But why do they do so much plastic surgery?? Some of the beautiful women i’ve seen had small eyes, lips and ears. Oh well. If it makes them happy, i guess i don’t have much say except it should not be encouraged as it can have horrific consequences.

    • cb4242

      it’s about sub-concious, self-hate, pure and simple. Yes, many of them want to get eye surgery to change their eyelids, but 100 years ago, there was no surgery and still the women looked great, but now it is available and the women are taking every opportunity. I live in Japan and the Japanese don’t do PS as much as the Koreans or Chinese. personally, I hate the look, but I think each to his own, but most Japanese accept their features and how they look. this is how God made you, but Koreans don’t think like that.

      • Panda Banana

        but you do realize that god didn’t made us,…. we evolved!

        BTW, south korea is a christian country or not? seems they don’t share your view on this subject.

        • Hongwu Emperor

          No matter if we’re talking about God, Zeus or Fuxi/Nuwa, the important part is left over; where are the respect for your ancestors?? I’m sure the King of Joseon didnt went into a plastical surgery, neither the Koryo court…

        • cb4242

          Well, if you believe that, then fine. You are entitled to believe what you want. I believe in God, if you don’t that is your choice, the point is whether they are a Christian nation or not, they lack self-confidence mostly, if they think in order to look pretty, they need to emulate or have Caucasian features. They look fine the way they are, it is just ignorance and I am glad at least in Japan this has not and will not take off at least to the level that the Koreans are doing it. Personally, I am happy with the way God made me.

          • Panda Banana

            God made you?

            It might come as a surprise to you, and i hate to be the one to tell you this, but:

            1. You have a mother
            2. she fucked with a man(preferably your current dad)
            3. 9 months later you crawled out of her vagina

            I know this sounds disgusting, and it very well might be that the “child created by love from parents”, was made during a party, drunk night, on the back seat of the car having wild sex, pulling hair, calling names…..might be.

            not sure where a god fits this picture?

            However…

          • cb4242

            Well, you are partially right, but that I came out healthy was through his grace and mercy, some people may not have been so lucky.
            Why you have to be so vulgar astounds me, but usually people with a lack of human intellect and decency usually talk like that. I understand, you can’t help it. It is who you are as a person. May the good Lord show you the way.

          • opinionator

            since when did you become all righteous and god-loving? past comments from you have been filled with hatred, bullishness, ignorance, vulgarity and a total disrespect to others yet here you are preaching with a holier than thou attitude. you reap what you sow, grace and mercy my arse, take it on the chin and swallow a fuck off tablet.

          • Panda Banana

            “filled with hatred, bullishness, ignorance, vulgarity and a total disrespect to others yet here you are preaching with a holier than thou attitude”

            they all have it in common, BUT god loves THEM!

            This arrogance alone makes me wanna puke. The arrogance to believe that a god personally take care about you as an already privilegued person, about your health and to maintain your social status, being born in the right country cause of a will of a higher power, WHILE at the very same time somewhere else children die to the thousands cause of hunger?

            This is what makes this stupid fucks so sick, the believe that its gods work and gods work should not be questioned under any circumstances. When things turn out good, its god’s will, if not then he works in mysterious ways. The suffering of the weakest is just ignored and explained with the suffering of jesus on the cross.

            I still can’t believe that people worship mother theresa who willingly let people suffer just to prove her sick point of the comparison with the suffering of jesus:

            “yes, they are in deep pain, but so was jesus, he lives in them and he is with them in the moment the pain becomes unbearable”,

            real medication is denied, cause suffering based on the assumption that we are all sinners who are unworthy and must therefor suffer like jesus did, was accepted just like that, even she has received millions and million in donations, gave most of it to the vatican, and built with the rest fucked up places where the sick could come to die, dumb cunt!

          • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

            Jehovah loves you and hopes you keep it zipped up away from eattot, I shall pray for you tonight *sarcasm filter optional* :)

          • cb4242

            I believe that, yes and you can’t change my opinion as I can’t change yours and I don’t mind, I accept you as you are.

          • cb4242

            You have too much anger, ask God to take your pain away. With God, all things are possible.

          • cb4242

            Excuse me, my post comments were NEVER filled with hatred, but with facts. I have never disrespected anyone, if you are referring to me using profanity, I do when the occasion arises, however, if you think that I have beeb putting people down, then you are an idiot with all due respect. Giving facts doesn’t mean that I am better, you might think so, but you don’t know me to say that, but whatever, if you don’t like my comments, don’t read them, simple as that and if you don’t like it, well, you know where you can stick it, but I don’t think you can perform a sexual act upon yourself. ;-)

          • Panda Banana

            “SOME” people may not have been so lucky????

            you religious freaks really got balls!!! SOME????

            and you talk about and have nerves to mention human intellect??

            May the Lord my ass MFer!! fuck him and fuck you too MFer! and your baby jesus along the way. You christian freaks talk about grace and mercy and thank god that you came out healthy but somehow along your delusion you seem to forget about the not so lucky ones your god had obviously no time to deal with cause he was busy getting sure that you fucks who have it good already come out healthy!

            tell this crap to the parents of the 15 million children who die every year cause of hunger, 19 thousands a day, 800 every hour and 13 in this minute while i write this reply MFer! All happens while you fucks pray for all sorts of senseless shit everyone can accomplish without prayers on his own.

            Tell this to the 3 BILLION people who struggle to survive forced to live from US$2 a day.

            But yeah, its gods plan i guess! Stupid ass MFer! have nerves to talk about being privilegued and telling others to lack human intellect.

          • Panda Banana

            just to be clear: I dont give a fuck about all of them dying cause of hunger and i dont give a fuck about the poor fucks who must live from US$2 a day, but at least i am honest about it, and dont spit on them claiming that a god made me, and he is responsible that i came out healthy.MFer!

          • cb4242

            See, usually people like you prove to me that I am right. Because if I were not, I would not get under your skin. You throw around profanity because you lack the intellect to converse in a logical dialogue.

            God is always there and around us. As to why we are born poor or bad that is not for us to judge. I pray for these people every day.

            I think the stupid one is you, for being rude, obnoxious and fearful it seems because you are quite defensive. I will pray for you that the lord will guide you and keep you. You are still my brother in faith.

          • Panda Banana

            next time you pray to your god, tell him Panda Banana said he should go fuck hisself.

          • cb4242

            I will pray for you, you need help

          • Terrik

            Geez, Who peed in your cheerios?

          • linette lee

            God can not help pedophile panda. Lack of human intellect can’t be fixed. On top of that he is mental and delusional coming here to type pages of fantasy in his head.

            I mean look at him…..

          • Panda Banana

            i applaud you for your extra time and extra effort you seem to put in about someone who obviously lacks intellect, is mental and delusional. You will miss me baby, trust me, they all do.

            BTW, why you chose THIS picture,and what makes you think that the person in the picture stands for the attributes you just posted? Just cause he looks happy and doesn’t seem to have a problems showing off his huge belly? He obviously has no inferiority problem like you two chicks.

            It could very well be that he combines all attributes you just stamp on him without knowing him, but it could also be the completely opposite from what you assume.

            Judging people just cause of seeing one picture of them doesn’t make sense to me.

            You and eattot on the other side posted pictures of yourselves AND wrote enough shit for everyone to form a negative opinion about you.

          • linette lee

            …………You will miss me baby, trust me, they all do…………blablabla….half page. Whatever.

            You are scaring me.

          • Panda Banana

            Don’t be scared honey. If it makes you wet, it’s good!

            Nothing to worry about!

        • don mario

          if u wanna try to be clever, a religious person could just reply with – good made evoloution. religious arguments, for or against, are the stupidest.

  • kimmykds

    Koreans looks ugly. IF you do not let them do ..the plastic surgery,you are so cruel

  • jones
  • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

    Korean plastic surgery always brings up controversy, but few people realize the underlying issues :/ Unequal opportunities for women, a culture very focused on outer appearances and a fiercely competitive society form the driving force of plastic surgery…

    • ScottLoar

      And Venezuela? And Brazil? It is an obsession with beauty driven by women that funds this industry in countries, not necessity, not inequality, just the desire to be beautiful – pouty lips, wide eyes, whitened skin, leggy, thin, curvy body save the big tits and pert ass, and “the look” heightened by clothes and fashion accessories. The fashion streets of Seoul are mobbed by young women who’d rather be dead than unfashionable, just as in Tokyo and Shanghai, grounds zero for East Asian fashion Nazis. The most beautiful in Delhi and especially Mumbai are the same with a -0 dress size and long, long legs. This “look” transcends culture and ethnicity, and is the same everywhere; just look at the fashionistas, the habitues of clubs and karaokes, the strollers through fashionable streets checking each other out. These fashion Nazis are not looking at guys, they’re measuring up other girls. There’s no deep social philosophy behind this, no “underlying issues”, just an obsession with don’t-I-look-great “me”.

      • Panda Banana

        I am right now in Bangkok, trust me all the countries and cities you guys mention don’t have shit on Bangkok regarding beauty and cosmetic and plastic surgery and so on. Its on every corner here…I bet there is more PS going on here then in all the places you mentioned combined!

        • ScottLoar

          No, I was very particular in choosing Venezuela, Brazil where beautifying is a subsidized medical expense, and Korea as places with the most extensive and common plastic surgery. Bangkok is famous for transsexual surgery but, no, it is not a plastic surgery kingdom. Moreover, Thai girls are sexy, they know what they’ve got, but they are not beauties in general. Bangkok gained its reputation from the 70′s onward after German sex bombers flew in and the place became popularized in videos, but easy access to cheap sex does not make the women beautiful.

        • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

          definitely. doesn’t Thailand have a huge PS black market as well? those ops don’t go into the statistics…

        • POS

          Yea even (especially) the country girls there are getting freaking nose jobs!

      • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

        i can’t speak for specifically for Brazil, but self-confidence is a key issue for any woman considering plastic surgery… and that “obsession with beauty” is not a gender-specific trait

        • ScottLoar

          Look to the average white American male and tell me he is obsessed with looking good himself as he stands hunched like a Neanderthal, backpack or fanny pack on, in T-shirt, sneakers and jeans, slack-jawed and dulled. Look to the average white American female waddling down the street, legs like sausages, butt and gut wiggling, messy hair, with more than a hint of facial hair. Both genders haven’t the foggiest idea about personal grooming because it’s cultural.

          Some societies, some groups are obsessed with beauty, with looking better than well-groomed, they want to be beautiful, ergo Japan, Korea, large cities like Hong Kong, Taipei and Shanghai, Caracas and especially Rio de Janeiro. And women are especially adherents to the cult of beauty. And gay guys, who measure themselves and others by attractiveness.

          • Pickle

            That’s not what the average white American man and woman looks like. What the hell are you talking about? You been eying that Internet meme of the USA fat, Canada slim pic too much?
            One might argue that those who are naturally beautiful aren’t as obsessed with glamour as those who possess less beauty.
            One example is African American’s obsession of straightening their hair spending thousands on wigs and weaves buying long black naturally straight hair from China and especially India whose hair is sold at a premium. For the Indian women, they aren’t as preoccupied with their beauty(these individuals that is) because this innate beauty flows so easily from them like leaves on a tree there’s no need to pursue it.
            There are Asians with large eyes not just mixed ones. If they really wanted westernized looks they’d introduce more white genetics into their gene pool. But they don’t because they don’t want that.

          • ScottLoar

            What the hell am I talking about? My description should be quite familiar to any American (yes, I’m one) who lives in a city, town or the countryside. You don’t even have to be in America; look to Americans overseas like – well, right here in Shanghai – and you’ll see plenty of slack-jawed young in sneakers, jeans and T-shirts, slope-shouldered and postures than couldn’t stand up to a strong wind. Or, go to the airports, to the gate areas for US airliners returning to the US and take a gander at most of the white American passengers. You can see, yes? No?

          • Pickle

            I’m not saying many Americans don’t fit the description but you make it seem like most are. It’s getting there I’ll grant you that. And that’s the only point I’ll concede.
            On Indian women, there are many who are actually very attractive. But on what I was talking about was their hair. You might think many or most ugly but they do have nice hair and this part is fact: In the USA, it is heavily purchased for wigs and weaves. So, many recognize this by that fa ct alone.

          • ScottLoar

            I never claimed or implied that there are not many attractive Indian women. My own daughter was mistaken for a Miss India when visiting Beijing; she rightly took it as a compliment even while denying in Mandarin that she was not Indian. To no effect.

            I think Indian women the most “womanly” of all, not feminine which is a different quality, nor the most graceful or sexy or beautiful, but those who most have the quality of being a woman. Hard to express but immediately recognizable in a woman.

          • Pickle

            Ok. Your answer was vague to me but this clears things up a boy. Still don’t know what the ” defines pixillated” means. No big deal tho’.

          • POS

            “And women are especially adherents to the cult of beauty. And gay guys, who measure themselves and others by attractiveness.”

            Scott seems to be in the second category, nothing more insecure than a wumao douche (except a gay wumao douche?).

          • ScottLoar

            I don’t know how I’ve merited the attention but any woman on this forum can tell I’m not gay. Any gay guy can tell I’m not gay. Any Chinese speaker can tell my English is too good not to be a native speaker.

            You? You fail to see anything clearly.

      • robertkk58

        true.

    • linette lee

      Blame their culture. Their culture in their society pressure their people to get ps in order to compete for jobs and spouse. It’s not healthy mentally.

      In other countries or cities like Hk and usa, they don’t have this kind of culture. You will have access to ps in cosmetic clinics but still not as widely common among the people. It’s different culture.

      • http://twitter.com/KJustinC Justin

        that’s the thing… PS is mostly to compete for a spouse rather than a job because of gender inequalities in the workplace… hk and usa may not have the best opportunities for women, but it’s certainly better than korea

  • Pickle

    Some people keep commenting about how these women get surgery to look westernized. All that plastic surgery and none of them look remotely white. Does anyone actually think they have Caucasian features now?
    It’s like calling Michael Jackson white after all the surgeries he had. White people don’t look like that.

    • http://twitter.com/vjclazziq Riina

      It’s not actually about looking Caucasian; the ideal of big eyes and milky skin has long been present in East Asia. Big eyes can be seen as symbolizing innocence (child-like appearance).

      • Pickle

        I knew about the skin but not the eyes. I’ve seen Asians with eyes that are naturally very large but looked smaller because of the dark eye color.

  • http://hiddengarments.cn/ Peter Cushing

    My mindbleach (beer) addled mind does not like the animated .gif at that top, thank goodness for adblock plus element hider in mozillaFF….what is it with asian sites and flash these days/!?

  • Mikey

    The difference between a Chinese girl/boy who get plastic surgery versus Korean girl/boy who get plastic surgery:

    1. Koreans after plastic surgery looks fantastic, gorgeous.

    2. Chinese on the other hand….. plastic surgery doesn’t seem to help at all, if not, they’re worse looking… lol…

    • Pickle

      Them being Asian, they aren’t too different to make that comparison.

  • POS

    If plastic surgery ages anything like a tattoo does then Korea is going to be a scary place in 20-30 years! Anyways this is a common scene in Korean subways; before and after PS photos to shock the whole family!

  • Duch

    These girls didn’t get any plastic surgery. The pictures were just photoshopped enhancements. The real pictures of these girls were shown after the photoshopped pictures were published.

    https://www.koreabang.com/2013/stories/miss-korea-2013-contestants-before-after-photos-amuse-netizens.html

  • Crazycook

    so who is the winner.?? who cares they are all the same right?

  • bcn55

    hot..

  • Hui hao

    So… I guess all yellow people look alike… to yellow people.

  • Judy

    It’s pretty sad how these women have been treated by posting their computer doctored pictures then making all kinds of rude and horrible comments on their looks once they posted their real faces on the internet.